I thank you for your brilliant observations although we don’t agree politically.Since you’re trying to correct me,i KINDLY requested to post me those NDOBOs bambi,amn’t sounding sarcastic.

Furthermore,i also applaud DP/FDC for the constitutional route(s) they take against this government in case the latter commits a folly but i also need to tell you that these verdicts aren’t for nothing as there is a precedent taken out of them which is usually referred to in future by the jury on the similar cases that might arise(Doctrine of Precedence).

About the constitution being a mere paper document,yes i agree with you to a limited extent and infact you tend to concur with some of my observations like i mentioned earlier about the displacement of these people.The framers would have reverted back those areas like Nakasongola that are still contested by Bunyoro so that this tribal enmity between them and the Baganda is put to rest.Because a situation whereby such districts are in Buganda as per this constitution but culturally autonomous will continue an itching thorn in Mengo’s toe as the Ganda culture in these areas will be demystified in favour of that of the Baruuli/Banyala/Banyoro.

Secondly,a look at article 246,it would have allowed(as per my opinion) ONLY those cultural entities that existed before the 1967(Republican) Constitution to re-establish themselves.Here,it would have ONLY given privilege to the Kingdoms of Buganda,Toro,Bunyoro,Busoga and Ankole,NOTHING ELSE.Now since the breathing space was left for those who wanted,this gives room to what you refer to as the “phoney chieftaincies or Kingdoms” that had hitherto never existed to crop like in Lango,Teso,Acholi and others still struggling like in Bugwere and Bukonzo.

Its rather stupid for some members on this space to say that M7 is the creation of all these cultural entities.They really for get to read article 1 of this constituion that reads,”power belongs to the people…”.Do they mean to say that even in the other areas like Lango,Acholi,Teso etcetera,M7 created them to annoy Buganda?.On this,that why you hear some people saying that the Baganda think of themselves.Already in Ankole Musinguzi said that the people there DON’T like their Kingship.

So am glad that you’ve now accepted that the problem isn’t DAVID but the 1995 constitution of Uganda.In all that the articles Nankindu presented,there is NON thats relevant because when she refers to me article 246(2) above,its like “bolting the stable door after the horse has escaped”.In otherwords,there were no disputes in the Banyala/Baruuli and morever,these people elected their leader in 1994 and crowned him in 2004.All along,what was Mengo doing?,was any bill concerning land being discussed then?,why wait after his coronation so as to come out with wild allegations?,is Mengo the protocol department of statehouse to determine which occassions in Uganda M7 should attend(as a guest)?

I merely pointed out your inconsistences maybe you should take time to go over your postings in future before you hit the submit button.

About your constitutional arguments? In my opinion, Uganda’s constitution is not worth the paper it is printed on. What good would challenging in court do? What has ever come of it? DP (even FDC) has been challenging Museveni in the Constitutional court successfully for donkey years what good has that got them apart from getting a chance to quote their victories? Secondly the whole document is so full of inconsistences because they tried to tailor make it for one person and like all other things did an incompetent job of it.

It is an absolute waste of time and money and I would not advice Mengo to go that route. Museveni has made the institutions so weak by disempowering the institutions around it (the enforcing institutions) and wrapped the power around himself which in my opinion is evidence of short-sightedness. Unfortunately this will come back to bite him sooner rather than later as history has proved time and time again. Can you imagine if we woke up tomorrow with another President who absolutely hates Museveni’s guts with all that power?

I avoid quoting or engaging in the Constitution discussion so I will leave you and others to continue but will continue pointing out the inconsistences if you do not mind because that makes my day :)

Please do me a favour by stating the endobos you are talking about NOT mere regurgitating what i write.The constitution for your information DOESN’T talk about tribes but CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS and NOT the Baganda with their Kabaka,Banyoro/Batooro with their Abakama,Basoga with their Kyabazinga etcetera.Nankindu in this case doesn’t need to mention or not to mention them nyabo.

I gave you and your friends a challenge to induce your elders at Mengo to go to the Constitutional court instead of mere arguing.Its now coming to 5 years since that man was installed and instead of making threats and throwing tantrums,challenge him legally.Some people take ages and ages to understand(if i’ve offended you,am sorry but i need to tell you this)

Atta boy! You have mixed up so many issues, I do not even know where to come in. Wekubye endobbo nyinji nnyo it is very sad. Slightly better but trying to mock makes you seem like you have an inferiority complex becasue you do it so badly. Watched Bill Clinton yesterday and all I can say just state your facts. This round goes to Nankindu. Shall we try again? Practice makes perfect.

I will just give you one exaple, you stated that,
“Moreover,the article 246(2) which you’ve stated above doesn’t apply to the Baruuli/Banyala.It now applies to societies like the Ankole(Obugabe),Bakonzo(Obusinga) and the Bagwere(Ikumbania),where in the foregone societies,there are still disputes among the different clans as to which candidate of a particular clan amongst them should be enthroned.”
It is precisely because the Baruuli/Banyala are not mentioned in the constitution that Nankindu objected to their being recognised. It seems like in this instance you actually agreed with her!
Told you it was going to be interesting!!!

Unless you want to tell me that you’re either blind or that you have a poor comprehension of English,as per Nankindu’s first posting,haven’t you read,”We will reverse these stupidities…..” on the sixth line?.Again if you say that these people are doing “stupid politics”,by a mere involvement of the word,stupid,thats enough to qualify your statement as an insult.Its thus high time you people stop running away from your shadows.

Infact like the literal meaning of your name(read poison),you’re just an ideologically bankrupt being just their to divert from the gist of the topic only to resort to uncouth and primitive personal attacks about our leaders coming from the bush.I can’t really spend much time on you.

You and your likes above are the ignorant lot who read the constitution upside-down to further the interests of your god-fathers at Mengo.By the way,if the Ssabaruuli and Ssabanyala are “politically comical chiuefdoms” as propounded by you and the retards above,now under what category can we place the Kamuswagaship of Kooki?.Again if their existence is illegal,why hasn’t the Mengo Attorney General and his team challenged their existence in the constitutional court by lodging a petition calling for their abolition?.On this,i really pitty you and your likes because these Mengo elite being enlightened,they really know that such an exercise will be an herculean task which may turn out to be a boomerang to them.They instead leave it to the bar novices like you and those above to futilely accomplish.

Going to the 1995 Ugandan constitution,the issue on the floor wasn’t about Local governance,that is Chapter 11.For your case(or arguement),which particular district constitute a particular kingdom but it was about,”THE INSTITUTION OF TRADITIONAL OR CULTURAL LEADERS” and this is clearly defined by article 246 and also article 37 NOT Chapter 11,which enshrines articles 176 to 207.This chapter is totally irrelevant and diversionary in this discussion.

Infact your legal gumbling exemplified by the allusion of the latter two articles(concerning local governance) latently manifests your mediocrity in the bar course(just in case you’re undertaking one) and i thus won’t waste time expounding on them unless you want to tell me that the Buganda kingdom has camouflged to become a lOcal government,which in otherwords isn’t the case.

Moreover,the article 246(2) which you’ve stated above doesn’t apply to the Baruuli/Banyala.It now applies to societies like the Ankole(Obugabe),Bakonzo(Obusinga) and the Bagwere(Ikumbania),where in the foregone societies,there are still disputes among the different clans as to which candidate of a particular clan amongst them should be enthroned.

The constitutionality of the restoration of the Baruuli/Banyala Chieftaincies can be seen in the following articles:
Article 37 which states,”Every person has a right as applicable to belong to,enjoy,practise,profess,maintain and promote any culture,cultural institution,language,tradition,creed or religion in the community with others”.Here,the constitution of Uganda and indeed the philosophy of the NRM doesn’t allow one cultural group to dominate and or cluster others.

Turning to article 246,it allows any cultural group to either restore the cultural leaders prior to the 1967 constitution or even create new ones if the people of the cultural group so wish.Nankindu,get to know that these people consist of 129 clans under the auspices of the Baruuli-Banyala Cultural Trust which has members not only in Buruuli and Bugerere but also in the diaspora.Upon this background,Ssabaruuli Mwogeza,a descendant of Okwiri,was installed by the head of the Babiito clan from Bunyoro Kitara Kingdom in accordance to traditions.

On the definition of a “traditional or cultural leader”,article 246(6) clearly states that,”a king or a similar traditional leader or cultural leader by whatever name called who derives allegiance from the fact of birth or descent in accordance with the customs,traditions,usage or consent of the people by that traditional leader or cultural leader.”

Thus Nankindu,M7 in this case isn’t the genesis of these chieftaincies.He instead inherited the Wanyoro-Ganda enmity which started way back in the 19th century started by our fore-fathers,may be you are trying to tell me that he’s the one who inflamed it then.This is synonymous to blaming the current Israel Prime-Minister for his country’s continous occupation of the Palestinian/Egyptian territories since 1967.These people(Banyala/Baruuli) were instigated by their god-fathers in Bunyoro Kingdom.Otherwise is Henry Ford Mirima,the spokesperson of Bunyoro Kingdom also an NRM spokesman or a press secretary for M7?,because the former went to every media outlet calling upon the Baruuli to demonstrate against the Kabaka’s visit.

Even during the colonial era,with the coming into force of the 1900 Agreement,in which these people and their territories were annexed to Buganda rule,its argued that they were exposed to harsh rule by the Anglo-Ganda alliance as they were reduced to slaves hence the emergence of the Nyangire-Abaganda rebellion(1907).

By intimidation,have you forgotten what has been said of or done to the majority of the prominent Baganda who ideologically differ from Mengo by the so called ultra-loyalists of your ilk right from the post colonial period to date?,for example,Katikiros like Paulo Kavuma,Michael Kintu,J.M Nkangi and of recent Eng J.B Walusimbi plus politicians like Prof Nsibambi,Prof Ssemakula Kiwanuka,John Nagenda,Prof Makubuya,Tamale Mirundi,Peter Muliira etcetera.

This shows that you and your likes(check this page) are either still suffering from the pre-colonial era syndrome or pipe-dreaming that Uganda(which engulfs Buganda) is an ochlocracy.Its high time you come to terms with reality(modern times and developments) than being eccentric.

As per secession,you can only mere debate it in your nkiikos,seminars and conversations because its as good as “building castles in the air”.Such talk is inconsequential and that its promulgation is shrouded in futility.Otherwise,why then do you clamour if a particular group makes attempts to break off(read secede) from Buganda?,aren’t these double standards?,if not,then you’re victims of your own medicine.

I am glad that David has gotten a befitting response from your side. I guess other forum members on this subject have gotten to know what kind of mettle he is made of.

David challenged me to give evidence of the fact that the Kampala regime is violating the constitution by creating politically comical chiefdoms ala ssabaluli/ssabanyala within the Kingdom of Buganda. By the way, his challenge goes further to prove that he is indeed pretty much ignorant of what he is talking about.

The First Schedule of the 1995 Uganda Constitution clearly spells out all the districts of Uganda, and by extension, therefore, the districts of every region, including Buganda, Busoga, Bunyoro, Toro, Ankole, etcetera. Some of these districts of Buganda as per that constitution include Nakasongole of which Buruli is part and partial. The other district of course is that of Mukono where a one Sergent Kimezze is claiming to be the ssabanyala.

Chapter 16, Article 246 (2) on the Institution of Traditional Leadership states thus: “In any community, where the issue of traditional or cultural leader has not been resolved, the issue shall be resolved by the community concerned using a method prescribed by Parliament”. As you can clearly see David, the Baruli and Banyala as well as M7 know exactly what constitutional steps to take if they want to create these ridiculous Chiefdoms of the Mwogeza Butamanya types. it is only and only an act of parliament in collaboration with the constitutionally/legally established Buganda authorities as per the 1995 Uganda Constitution that can create your so-called Ssabaluris and Ssabanyaras in Buganda Kingdom but not M7. If he goes ahead and does the contrary like he has already done, he is definitely violating his own constitution. Therefore David, the activities of M7 and his likes in Buruli are not only illegal but are also dictatorial and anarchical;

Chapter 11, Article 178 (3) on the cooperation among districts states thus” Subject to clause (1) of this article and to the provisions of this Constitution, the districts of Buganda …as specified in the First Schedule to this Constitution shall be deemed to have agreed to cooperate on the coming into force of this Constitution”. There is your constitution David in black and white. Buganda Kingdom was deemed by the 1995 constitution to be a one single unit just as it was even before the coming into force of the 1995 M7′S Constitution;

Chapter 11, Article 179 on the boundaries of local or regional governments states thus: “Subject to the provisions of this constitution, Parliament may alter the boundaries
of districts; and create new districts. Any measure to alter the boundary of a district or to create a new district shall be supported by a majority of all the members of Parliament …” . There you are again, David. It is the work of M7 to alter the districts of Buganda at will.There is a constitutional route towards that direction if M7 so wished but not to have his mieserable PGB soldiers taken to Buruli and prevent Ssabasajja from touring one of his districts. Infact, it was a shame that M7 had to stoop that low to do this despicaple thing. He always thinks that raw might is right. He is wrong. If can care to remember, raw force did not save Idd Amin, Okellos and Amin . They all left. M7 will also go just like they did!And on why the Buganda Kingdom has not gone to the court over this matter, just continue to watch this space. The way Buganda does its things is not as amateurish as is typical of the dictatorial regime in Kampala. We know what we want and how to get there, David.

David, it is prety illogical for you to state that the Baganda who do not have guns can intimidate people of your regime in Kampala always armed to the teeth and tear gas. May be the word “intimidation” has had another paradigm shift with that regime that you seem to be so much in love with. David, you can take it from me that the Baganda will not be intimidated by anybody including M7. He found us in Buganda and he will also leave us in our motherland Buganda.

David, I do not regret any single minute for Hon Kyanjo and co to have advocated in the first place the break away of Buganda from Uganda. Hon. Kyanjo, Hon. Betty Kamya, Oweek. Muliika, Omuk. Nambooze, Oweek. Segoona, among others, are our heroes.

The whole government and the army is full of Banyankole-Bakiika-Banyoro. So why should we continue to be part of a country that continues to violate our constitutional rights, discriminate against us, and improverishes every corner of Buganda? But we did not even start this , David. You mean the Kasubi debacle in the late 90s had anything to do with Hon Kyanjo’s calls for cessation or these so-called ssabaluris/ssabanyaras? Wrong, my dear! You actullay seem to be mispalcing your facts a lot and yet you calim to be a historian. What an irony!

Finally, I want to believe that you are a Muganda as you claim. Just in case you are, you are a big shame to your nation Buganda by the nature of your arguments and the positions you hold about Buganda and the way things are done by that fake regime in Kampala. If I were you, I would rather keep quiet than begin delving into matters whose substance you absolutely have no clue of. For how can you, for example, fail to know that M7 and co. are violating their own constitution in these matters of ssabanyala/ssabaluri? The next day, you will tell us that the regime in Kampala does not steal elections and kill innocent Ugandans exercising their fundamental freedoms. Give us a break! And by the way, you do not need to be in diaspora to know that our otherwise beautiful country is being screwed up by those bunch of militants and anarchists.