People in all corners of Buganda have now heard of Kabaka Mutebi’s journey to Buluuli, to preside over Buganda’s 46th Independence cerebrations, and President Museveni’s decision to stop him (Kabaka) from reaching his destination. Baganda also now know that Kabaka Mutebi made the decision to travel to Nakasongola after getting fed up with the increasingly dictatorial behavior being shown by President Museveni and his men coupled with evidence that Katikkiro JB Walusimbi may be part of the problem.
Virtually all the 46 Baganda who this reporter spoke at Nabugabo, Katwe and Nakasero Market were very happy that, by going to Buluuli, bravely exposing Museveni’s true colors on Buganda and disassociating himself from JB Walusimbi, Kabaka Mutebi made the situation 100% clear to Baganda. The 37 out of 46 who claimed to be below 35 years in age declared their 100% support for Kabaka Mutebi and claimed that they are ready to risk anything to serve him in any way he orders them to. And 21 of those 37 claimed to be members of CBS Fans Club or Nkoba za Mbogo or Baana ba Kintu.
A 27 year old Muganda young woman who runs one of seven separate hardware businesses in a single shop, next to Nakasero market, told this reporter in Luganda, “Ba ffe atukakasizza mu ngeri ye eyamagezi nti Walusimbi bamumutega butezi. Ate natumanyisa nti musajja muzira kufa era amalako nnyo. Kati katulabe buno bunamawanga obutubba abaana n’abazukulu baabwo gyebanazza ebyaffe” (“Our [husband] has wisely given us the signal that Walusimbi is a Trojan horse. And he has shown that he is a brave man who can see us through all. Now let’s wait and see where the children and grand children of these foreign thieves will take our things.”)
In a related development, Buganda’s Minister of Information, Charles Peter Mayiga, has announced that a special meeting of the Lukiiko (Buganda Kingdom Council) has been scheduled for October 27, 2008, to discuss, among other things, President Museveni’s decision to restrict Kabaka Mutebi’s movements in Buganda.
In a highly belligerent move on October 8, 2008, President Museveni of Uganda ordered his heavily armed anti-riot police ready, with teargas, to stop Kabaka Mutebi from visiting the Buluuli Ssaza (county) Headquarters in Nakasongola. The Kabaka of Buganda was on his way to open the ceremony celebrating the 46th year since Buganda gained independence from the British. President Museveni’s operation was executed by his minister Ruhakana Rugunda, who claimed in a statement that it is Katikkiro JB Walusimbi who first brought up the idea that Kabaka shouldn’t travel to Buluuli.
Buluuli is one of Buganda’s 18 counties. However, since 2000, President Museveni has invested more than 2 million dollars on a project to weaken Buganda by creating his own anti-Kabaka “sub kingdom” in Buluuli, headed by a “Sabaruli”. Museveni’s current Sabaruli is called Salongo Mwogezi Butamanya. Apparently, Museveni instructed Ruhakana Rugunda to stop Mutebi from reaching his intended destination after getting intelligence reports that the Kabaka had drawn huge crowds of Baganda and Baluuli on his stops in Kakooge and Migyera towns. It was emerging that the crowd would be even be much larger in Nakasongola, which would embarrass President Museveni, who October 9th Uganda celebrations keeps shrinking.
October 11th, 2008 at 8:14 am
I guess the Kampala regime is continuing to commit a huge strategic error to pit itself against an immensely popular institution (i.e. the Kabakaship) in Uganda. More than 97% of the Baganda, whether one wants to hear it or not, look at the Kabaka as some kind of deity. They love him and they worship him. Therefore, anybody who assumes power in Uganda and expects that business can run as usual when they decide to antagonize the Kabakaship is living in self-delusion.And let nobody decieve you that it is a sustainable strategy for the Kampala regime to rule over a people who do not like them for long. Never! The Kabaka is a very popular figure in Buganda and Uganda and for the Kampala regime to continue antagonizing him is foolhardy. It is simply stocking fire ambers that are likely to destroy whatever good is left of Uganda.I hope the Kampala regime can become sober and stop burning the bridges behind it.
Awangaale nnyo Ssabasajja Kabaka Muwenda Mutebi II
October 12th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Now i wonder what crime Walusimbi has committed.From his appointment,i noted that a moderate and rational person of Walusimbi’s character can’t cope with the intrigue and radicalism at Mengo.
Such behaviour by some hardliners at Mengo isn’t new because it even existed during the tenures of Martin Luther Nsibirwa,Paulo Kavuma,Michael Kintu,J.M Nkangi(after leaving office),Mulwanyamuli Ssemwogerere and of recent Eng J.B Walusimbi.This i’ll explain later,but for the meantime,Mengo is only best suited for the fiery type of personalities such as Muliika,Nsubuga Nsambu,Grace Ndugwa and the like,among whom some gullible Baganda think that these can influence the central government to meet Buganda’s cherished demands.
October 12th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Bwana David,
I may not be a Muganda but I think your question is very naive. Clearly you are not a real muganda or if your are one, then you must be out of touch with your people. Remember that Kabaka Mutebi said that the new land law is bad and must be fought. Instead of doing that Walusimbi started secret negotations with President Museveni. From that day on when he “disobeyed” the ultimate Baganda leader, everything he touches can only burn him. If I were him I would simply resign from all this mess which in the end may even lose him government contracts. These Baganda have a hidden agenda to break away and M7’s greed and iron hand style is only increasing their chances.
October 12th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
J.MUSINGUZI
Judging from your commentary,you are part of the parochial and myopia lot trying to mislead the gullible baganda i talked about in my foregone commentary.
If i tend to differ with the Mengo clique,does this disqualify me from being a muganda?,now that you’ve sophistically supported Mengo on its ill conceived demands,have you been gandanised?.Where is it enshrined that for one to qualify to be a muganda,he or she should advocate radically for every Mengo cause(s)?,isn’t this the intolerance you tend to blame M7?
The Walusimbi et al you are underlooking,do you mean to say that you’ve contributed to Buganda’s development than them?,how long shall we be with trumpeters of your ilk?.Come to talk of loving catholicism more than the pope.
Walusimbi is trying to advocate for peaceful co-existance between Buganda and the central government including the local governments(LC5 Chairmen).Since as you claim that,”every thing he touches,burns him”,now are you and your ilk the ones who invited the Baganda LC5 Chairmen to Mengo to draw a road map about the land ammendment bill favourable to Buganda?,isn’t it him and further,did these gentlemen refuse going there since you purport that everything he touches burns him?
Some of the resolutions of these meetings is to make sure that all of them have a collective position and also to mollify their colleagues who are “rebellious” against Mengo like the Chairmen of Mukono and Nakasongola,this was even confirmed by Vicent Ssempijja,the LC5 Chairman of Masaka on the Independence day celebrations in Masaka.Do you mean to say now this is the wrong path he’s taking and that his fingers are getting burnt as per your “reasoning” and “being in touch”?
If those baganda have an hidden agenda of breaking away,so be it,otherwise he vocabulary of “secession” in the history of Uganda,isn’t it synonymous with the Mengo elite?.You are trying to show that you love the Obwakabaka bwa Buganda yet your parochial arguements don’t hold any drop of water to sustain it,otherwise why don’t you lend your arguements to the elders of Ankole so as to help in its restoration?.As the English addage goes,”a wolf in a sheep’s skin”
October 12th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
David,
It looks like you are the type who must be told twice. For the second time, WALUSIMBI’S CRIME IS THAT HE DISOBEYED KABAKA MUTEBI AND REFUSED TO FIGHT THE NEW LAND LAW! This is a fact whether you and I like it or not and whether you are a muganda or not. I have some good news for you though. I myself don’t want any talk about bringing the Omugabe back which is true of most Banyankore. But that is not enough to make me so emotional as to ignore the reality about the baganda.
P.S. do you really need to write so much and be so angry to make a point?
October 13th, 2008 at 5:04 am
David,
This is Tara. I really waited so bad last week for your intellectual input into the constitutional argument I threw at you about this NRM-ZERO foolish politics on Buganda Kingdom in vain, but like someone who talks or rather writes just for its own sake, you never came back to me. And judging from the quality of your arguments, I am neither surprised nor disappointed. That is you! But this is besides the point.
As I read your rejoinders towards Musinguzi, I do realize that you continue to insult other people just because they are in defense of Kabaka and Buganda. I find this pretty ironical. As a matter of fact, and just like Musinguzi has pointed out above, one does not need to be a Muganda to see that the kind of politics M7 and his fellow militarists are curently doing are indeed dangerous for this country. And I am also beginning to have serious doubts on whether M7 and his groups are really Ugandans. These guys seem either to be Rundis or Nyarus but are shy to say it publically. They are indeed acting like a bunch of mercenaries who came over to Uganda to destroy our country and when time comes, “Ali Baba” and his fourty thieves will then run back to wherever they are suposed to have originate from and leave our country burning to ashes. By the way David, why do you hide your African name? Tell us your African name for us to be able to know exactly what kind of Ugandan (assuming you are one!) we are dealing with. You man cannot be a Muganda, and if you are one, you must be suffering from a terrible inferiority complex.
On the Oweek. Walusimbi, one does not need to be a rocket scientist to know that the gentleman is not acting in the interest of Buganda Kingdom and the Kabaka. The recent incindent where three of Kabaka’s obedient servants were kidnapped by the Ugandan terrorists will suffice to make you know that the man was acting in cohorts with M7 and his bunch of militarists. Why should, for example, an otherwise intelligent man in the name of Oweek. Walusimbi decide to cut funny deals under the table with the bunch of kidnappers to have the Mengo-3 released? Why was his first call of action not directed at the courts since the Mengo-3 had clearly committed no crime but to Tinyefuza whom he fondly calls “Tinye”?? How come that even up to now, Oweek. Mayiga has not been charged for any crime ever since M7 and his military junta declared that Oweek. Mayiiga and his two coleagues had a case to answer? My brother David, you are defending the indenfensible about M7 and his bunch of terrorists. The military junta in Kampala cannot be defended by anybody who is sane. That regime is roten and needs to be swept away immediately.
Finally David,you cannot teach the past and present great Buganda Kings Kabaka matters of nation building. Many of us today who are now assumed to be Baganda are a product of intricate national building from a variety of “tribes” surrounding Buganda. There is no any other nationality in Uganda which was as successful in doing this like Buganda. Ad it was, therefore, not an accident that the British found Buganda to be the centre of their admnistration in Uganda. David,you continue calling other people myopic, which is typical of NRM-ZERO apologists, but judging from the low quality of your arguments, you really sound one.
Long live His Majesty the Kabaka of Buganda Muwenda Mutebi
October 13th, 2008 at 5:57 am
I entirely agree with Tara and Musinguzi on their observations about this man who calls himself “DAVID”. Ssebo, you are David who??? You actually sound like you are either Mr. Mwogeza Butamanya, the self-styled chief of Baluli or Mr. Ford Mirima, the purpoted spokesman of Omukama Gafabusa. By the way, do you remember that M7 said the other day that Omukama Gafabusa was a movementist? Does your 1995 constitution allow Omukama Gafavbusa to belong to nay political party and thus be partisan? Now why should anyone be surprised that Omukama Gafabusa through Ford Mirima who is in the pockets of M7 is the one on the frontline of carelessly if not foolishly antagonizing Buganda? And this Omukama Gafabusa is really being very naive to think that M7 can be his genuine friend to the extent that he can even accept to be used by him! That is even why Omukama is a very inconsistent man when he one moment says prior to CHOGM that he would not meet with the Queen of England and another moment he is seen shly shaking the Queen’s goved hands. And anyone sane can take this kind of person seriously?? So Mr. “David”, please defend yourself without abusing other forum members why we should not think that you are not “DAVID” but rather this witch in Bululi aka Mwogeza Butamanya or the other NRM functionary in Omukama Gafabusa’s service aka Spokesman Ford Mirima.
Tara doubts that you are a Muganda. I also doubt pretty much so. No sane Muganda can say what you are saying about Maggulunnyondo Namunswa Kabaka Mutebi and the Kingdom of Buganda! Ezo simpiisa za Baganda, ssebo! Any Muganda who can openly insult Ssabasajja Kabaka in the manner you, the Tamale Mirundis, the Kigozi Kaweesis, the Katenda Luutus and the like is not worthy any respect. Infact oswaza abekiika kyo musajja gwe if you are really a Muganda. I also observe that you argue like those so-called RDCs and M7 “advisers” whose only job is none but to abuse other people, kill Ugandans, steal Uganda’s wealth and parrot whatever M7 says. I also urge you to repond to issues intelligently rather than appearing to be saying nothing in so many words you post. Wama Musinguzi, thank you so much for being a sober and an objective non-Muganda! These people found us united and they are now busy dividing us up. There is doubt that Mr. Museveni and his regime are a cabal of anarchists out there to destroy Uganda. Naye bangi battusanze tulaba. They can only succeed temporarily!
October 13th, 2008 at 6:16 am
By the way Mr. DAVID, you call Baganda gullible, myopic and parocial. I doubt very much you know what those words real mean. If you happen to know their meaning, then there must be a problem with your application of those words towards Baganda. I doubt that a people whose history and kingdom stretches well over 800 years can be any of those abusive words you used against Baganda. Even when colonialism came to this part of the region, it was on account of their being foresighted that Uganda just became a protectorate and not a British colony. Let nobody decieve you like Mr. Museveni always does that any African people would have been in a position to prevent the British from taking over Uganda. History is very clear on this. Those who were stupid enough to bluntly resist the British like Kabalega did were definitely crushed. Buganda was wise enough to collaborate with the British but with clear expectations to the British that they were a nation whose integrity had to be preserved even after colonialism was done. Even up to now, you cannot easily dupe the Baganda into anything silly. They know what they want and you cannot just intimidate them like the way Mr. Museveni is doing and you think that they will give up. That is not them. So please revist your understanding of those words before you can apply them to the Baganda you love to hate.
October 13th, 2008 at 7:27 am
J.Musinguzi
To me,i think that the word,”fight” is the one giving you headache.Aren’t negotiations the civilised mode of fighting it?,do you want him to mobilise hooligans to make vernomous attacks against the government and the person of the president like these below(check this space)?
If you want him to fight it in a civilised way(you and your likes) abhor,get to know that he already started it by talking to the different stake holders like the MPs,LC5 Chairmen,Civil Society etcetera but if you want him to use the uncouth means you and the like cherish like spewing ethnic hatred like some other fellas at Mengo you glorify,am then sorry for you because the gentleman prefers to preserve his dignity.
October 13th, 2008 at 8:12 am
Nankindu
Unless you want to tell me that your uncalled for emotions have made you lose your senses to such an extent of failing to browse your computer and check my reply to your trash,then thats not my problem.Further,is it a ground rule to provide my African name on this site?,i think in this debate,the issue of surnames is rather diversionary but the crux of what is being discussed is one thats important because i can say that am a munyankole yet am a muganda and vice versa.If at all amn’t a muganda as you suggest,you as the “Registrar of tribes in Uganda”,then tell the world what tribe i belong to(remember,people are judging your narrow mindedness basing on your flimsy issues you’re raising).Remember,am VERY immune against your attacks and thats why i shall continue demystifying your lies and distortions.Your attacks are of NO consequence to me.
By saying that M7 et al are Nyarus or Rundis,then have you accomplished the task of expelling remaining ones at Mengo like Dr Higiro Ssemajege and Venetia Ssebudandi,the latter being the mother of Prince Jjuuko,the son of Kabaka Mutebi?
On the issue of Walusimbi,i request you to desist from making childish and foolish allegations against this gentleman.In otherwords,stop exposing your dirty linen in public as people belonging to the other tribes will even come to know the kind of being you and your likes are.Here,i’ll thus provide you with two examples:
In 1953,on the eve of the arrest and exiling of Kabaka Muteesa 11,Katikiro Paulo Kavuma was at Entebbe trying to negotiate(with Governor Andrew Cohen) for the release of the former but in vain.By virtue of his being with the governor prior to the arrest of his boss,he became a sacrificial lamb in the eyes of the radical baganda(who wrongly thought that there had been foul play) like your ilk in the present scenario.
Secondly,do you want us to believe that the Acholi leaders like MPS,LC5 Chairmen,Religious leaders and the Cultural leader,Rwot David Onen are stupid(because your brain makes you think that whoever is engaged in negotiations is stupid) to trek all the way to the Garamba jungles are talk to Kony,an international outcast/terrorist?
Stop behaving like a coward,your ranting and raving CAN’T and i repeat,CAN’T tilt the balance of power to your favour(s),if you and your likes(the goon proceeding your comment) are women and men enough,get out of your shells and sweep away the Kampala regime instead of spewing vernom via the net.
October 13th, 2008 at 8:21 am
Mukulu David,
U are talking about negotiations between Oweek. Walusimbi and Mr. Museveni, what type of negotiations are these? Are these about the withdrawal of the “cases” that Mr. Museveni concocted against the Mengo-3? Are these about the return of the Ebyaffe whose “negotiations” have been on since 1993 but which have turned into a circus? Are these about the self-styled ssabaluri and ssabanyala or what?? Really some of us do not understand these so-called negotiations Oweek. Walusimbi wants to hold with Mr. Museveni behind closed doors. And why must the purported negotiations be held behind closed doors? What is there to hide anyway?
O.K, fine. Let’s assume for a moment that there are any meaningful negotiations to be carried out in the first place. Do you really think that Oweek. Walusimbi has the tact and skills to carry them out on behalf of Kabaka/Buganda. From what I have personally already seen about Oweek. Walusimbi, I doubt whether he is the right person to do this. The man is either a coward or a complete sell-out. Listen to him when his voice quivers and while saying “Bwoba ogoba musajjamuno…”, you will clearly get to know that the man is not up to the task.
David, I would suggest that you desist from calling Baganda hooligans and uncouth. Are the Baganda the one who use abusive words such as “swine”, “kamanyiro”, “wajjinga tu” “mavi ya kuku”,” Baganda are condoms”, “northerners are a biological substance”, etectra? Please give us a break. If you are really a Muganda as you claim, you must know that even if a Muganda wanted to abuse you, they would not be as raw and direct as Mr. Museveni and Co. abuse decent Ugandans. That is not the way the Baganda are brought up. All these so-called presidential advisers and RDC are allover the FMs abusing Ugandans. And instaed of calling these people hooligans, you are calling Baganda hooligans and uncouth?? It is anyway no surprise that you hide your true names and decide to call yourself DAVID. Kale oswaza bambi!
October 13th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Folks,
I have read all your thoughts on the subject under discussion and if I can be allowed to play judge here, David has already lost it. Some of the historical data he is providing for his positions notwithstanding, he comes off as a complete flop in debate, particularly once he begins to insult others. He really miserably fails to respond to clear-cut intellectual challenges but rather resorts to hair-splitting and name-calling. If he is a typical representative of the government in power in Uganda, then it should not come as a surprise to many of us here that that government in Uganda is screwing up things this bad in Uganda. David, please raise up the quality bar of your arguments. Tara certainly comes off as a very brilliant girl/woman/lady in her presentations. Why don’t you take a leaf of the way she does her postings??
October 13th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Oh you bet Steve! David must really be having a huge problem with himself. First of all, he is such a big coward who cannot even trust himself to tell us his true names. I doubt pretty much whether DAVID is his real name. The excuse that this forum does not require one to provide his (full)names is really lousy. And then as he responds to issues put before him, he really gets mean with his words. Which is rather typical with all the apologists of the regime in Kampala. Bambi David behave like someone who has grey matter upstairs coz you really debate like a village peasant. Style up, my dear! Respond to the real issues people on this forum put across rather than resorting to insulting us. If you cannot debate, just quit rather stay and expose your utter ignorance on issues you want say something about. We want to keep this forum active, interesting and with meaningful debates and not insults, my dear.
October 13th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Busagwa
If i sound like whoever you refer to me,so be it.Its not the Baganda culture to insult others,yes i agree and that NO WHERE,have i insulted the Kabaka.You are instead the ones rediculing,demeaning,loathing other cultural leaders,M7 and Walusimbi.Do you think that we’re punch bags not to defend ourselves when you throw tantrums at us because we tend not to agree?
By alleging that the President said that the Omukama is an NRM,i beg to correct you on this point.The president said that the Bunyoro Premier NOT the Omukama SOUNDS(check your English) like a movementist.In otherwords,the Bunyoro Premier’s programmes like unity,modernisation and prosperity of Bunyoro are synonymous to the Movement ideologies hence the presidential statement then.Stop telling lies and distorting facts to suit your selfish goals please.
For your information,i don’t beg any respect from any member on the floor.Am giving my opinion without fear or favour,whether you like it or not.You go on to tell lies “mbu they found us(read Baganda) united”,but for your information(since you’re ignorant),the history of treachery and divisionism started in Buganda in collaboration of her erstwhile allies(the British) and that its because of this that Buganda and Uganda at large has faced a littany of problems you as a mere trumpeter don’t seem to realise.
Infact its people of your ilk during the colonial period who mis-advised the Kabakas to collaborate with the imperialists thus making the latter to politically and economically exploit the former and later turn against them after acquiring what they’d wanted.Have you forgotten that two kings of Buganda were exiled twice and even died mysteriously in exile under the nose of your so called “allies”(read the British) and there you are yarning to invite the Queen to the Twekobe so as to get a “golden handshake”(which plans came to nought)!!!
Morever,if you are saying that the Omukama went to see the Queen(although he’d earlier refused to),i don’t get surprised because he might have gone there(if at all he did) for the sake of reconciliation(which you hate) and that a Bunyoro Kingdom delegation is currently in talks with the UK Foreign Office to make an out-of-court settlement concerning the destruction of the ancient Bunyoro Kingdom in the 19th century by the British.
By the way,amn’t saying that the Baganda are what you’ve stated BUT your ilk are that and on that i have NO regrets at all.You can call me what you want but that amn’t turning back on my statement(s).Don’t twist issues,do you mean to say that,for example,those Katikiros i mentioned above are like that?,those including the present one,Eng J.B Walusimbi are enlightened and far-sighted.
Saying that the resistors like Kabalega were “stupid”,i further wonder what kind of being you’re.Have you forgotten that even your “beloved” Kabaka Mwanga also resisted colonial rule(if all you’re well versed with facts)?,don’t you think that the resistors were that type of rulers who preserved African indepedence unlike the “brilliant” lot(as per your “reasoning”) who parcelled out African resources like slaves(human resources),minerals and land in exchange for material non-entities say mirrors?!!!
As your name suggests,your spewing nothing but vernom enshrined in ethnic sentiments of hatred that aren’t useful to Buganda AT ALL and that you and you likes have now taken a covert coup against the Walusimbis(moderates) in the Mengo decision making.For your information,i have NO hatred against the Kabaka but the shouting lot of your ilk who take themselves to be the ultra-loyalists,talk of “Kabaka tata naye abasaakiriza…”
October 13th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Nankindu
Am i answering an interview?,whether David is my real name or not,thats NOT an issue to debate about.For your information,its you an intellectual dwarf behaving like a villager.Intellectual dwarf by for example,reading the constitution up-side down.By referring to me the clause of Local governance,were you trying to tell the public that Buganda is a regional government or a Local government(like a district council) under the docket of the Ministry of Local government?.On that,confuse those academic amateurs offering you accolades not me,please.
I also challenged you that if the other cultural entities in Buganda like the Kamuswaga,Issabaruuli and Ssabanyala are illegal,then what bells are the Mengo legal intellectuals waiting for so as to go to court?.I waited for your answers but in vain!!!.No traditional institution is the superitendant of another except in cases where there is an agreement between the two traditional polities,like for the case of the Kamuswagaship and the Kabakaship which agreement stretches way back in 1896.
For the sake of the Banyara/Baruuli,most of them(including their territories) were curved from Bunyoro(an ancient rival of Buganda) and placed under Buganda by the 1900 Agreement.The framer of the 1995 Constitution never rectified this colonial error.In otherwords,Baruuli in Nakasongola are in Buganda but that they are culturally autonomous.
October 13th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Busagwa
Negotiations for your information never end.If you’re talking of the negotiations since 1993,what about those(read Banyoro) arguing for the return of their “lost” counties since 1900?,what can they say?.My perspective of issues is for a wider Uganda not tribal entities,even when prominent personalities are appointed to ministerial posts,they swear an oath of allegiance to a whole Uganda NOT looking at issues in a narrow perspective as your ilk.
If the Great British Empire that stretched all over the world is now reduced to shreds,thats the tiny islands in the Atlantic coast,what about Buganda?,amn’t demeaning but that lets come to terms with the present developments taking place in the world.Can you imagine that even its ruler,the Queen,has to appeal to Gordon Brown to boost her purse?.On this,you should open you eyes widely.
By saying that negotiations are being held behind closed doors,then recently in around July,when he went with Hajji Kaddu,William Naggagga,Emmanuel Ssendaula and some other two Mengo officials,were these “secret” talks as you allege?.Isn’t he the one together with Prof Nsibambi who tirelessly negotiated for the return of Buganda’s Ebyaffe in the late 1990s.If he’s a coward and complete sell-out,you who’s not so,why weren’t you appointed as the Buganda Premier in place of this one.Aren’t you now indirectly giving the one who appointed him(the Kabaka) a vote of no confidence?!!!
I shall continue calling the uncivil ones like your ilk,hooligans and this i even do it in their face.I have NO regrets for it.What suitable term can i give to people who attempted to beat up Ian Kyeyune and J.M Nkangi in Aug 2004 at a purpoted Federo Seminar at Bulange?,what about those abusing government officials at Mambo Bado?,what about those who booed and heckled Prof Nsibambi at Kibuli during Kiggundu’s prayers?,those that bullied,booed and heckled Otafiire,Khiddu Makubuya and Lukooya Mukoome(although some of these may be culpable) at different occassions recently?.Is it part of the ganda culture to do so?.
First call these youth to order and then think of correcting the government representatives.And nti nswaaza,yes ok,nkuswaaza eri ani?,what forum am i representing you?.You swallow the bitter pill because facts are bitter.
October 13th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Steve…
You are free to give your observers BUT i request that you give me the historical distortions.Thanks
October 13th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
David,
Just curious, what would be the end game of any such negotiation? I have posed this question to a number of people but nobody seems to have an answer.
Please indulge me in role play for abit; Someone asking you to return their property, then what? you ask for more time? a period granted. You ask for favours in return? Votes? would probably happen knowing my fellow baganda, babugumirira. What exactly are the negotition points? How much time do you allot to the back and forth?
It seemed to me like this was a very straight forward issue which should not take 10 years to finalise. It would have earned Museveni an enormous amount of browny points. Instead the government went into a power trip and all manner of trickery which has served to help the case for the naysayers. Frankly I do not think that was necessary in the first place. In jumps Walusimbi when most of us are getting tired of the stories and he wants to start afresh? Will Museveni help him out by building bridges? no? Show more ‘power’ and continue to consolidate the naysayers’ positions and leave the door wide open for the opposition to make inroads in Buganda.
I think the whole situation is hopeless. You have an aging dictator, who has spent all his time in power pretending like he was the most democratic in the region or at the very least a benevelont dictactor, who always believed he is the most powerful person in Buganda, throw in a very weak opposition (infact I believe they are managed by Museveni) and a very tired and weary population; it is a recipe for disaster.
But anyway God Bless you for still believing that any good can come out of negotiating with Museveni as far as Buganda is concerned. For him it is total obedince or anhilation which is becoming increasing clear.
October 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Getu
Obviously,during negotiations there has to be a fruitful result,for example,on the return of the Kabaka in the late 1980s,he returned as the Ssabataka but in the early 1990s,he was crowned as the King.Its during the early to mid 1990s,the current “villains” like Walusimbi,Nsibambi et al(as per your colleagues) negotiated for the return of Buganda’s Ebyaffe amidst opposition from the “heroes” like Besigye,Mugisha Muntu et al.
At no particular time did M7 request for concessions(votes) but that the Baganda gave them(votes) to him as a token of appreciation.For your information,negotiations never end.The problem now at Mengo is the presence of the opposition politicians who are there to exploit every situation to create hatred against the government and the person of the president for cheap political capital.Its because of this reason that almost every person with an ideology similar to that of the government and even government representatives are booed,bullied and heckled at every occasion organised by Mengo.There are some elements who incite such behaviour.
To avoid a re-play of the 1966 crisis,you should know that on such sensitive issues like these,there is no need to be too much excited,throw tantrums to other ethnic groups,advocate for boycotts against goods from a particular region of a country,for example,milk from Ankole.Remember,that for some of us,such people are our spouses,children,in-laws etcetera.
Moreover in 2005,the Mulwanyamuli Team had been given a Regional Tier as a pre-requisite for a fully fledged Federo but this was watered down by the Bataka council hence the resignation of the former.In fact this was a step towards the attainment of your Federo.
For your information,not only has M7 made negotiations with cultural groups but that he’s successfully negotiated with a number of fighting groups and also spear-headed negotiations under the aegis of the wider regional and international bodies to solve regional crises in Somalia,Sudan,Kenya,S.A(during the apartheid era as chairman of OAU in 1990).
October 14th, 2008 at 5:38 am
MR. “David”,
QUOTE1: <> What cultural leaders are you talking about here? First of all, there is only one cultural leader that is constitutionally recognized in Buganda, viz. Kabaka Muwenda Mutebi II. Prince Kamusagwa of Kooki , who is highly regarded in the Buganda Kingdom, is of course a loyal subject and a brother of the Kabaka of Buganda although M7 attempted to quietly talk him into rebellion, which he flatly rejected. So whichever other person you erroneously refer to as a cultural leader within the Buganda Kingdom is nothing but a cultural clown (dikuula) whose posturing is none other than serving the shallow interests of your M7. I can assure you that these so-called ssabaluris/ssabanyalas of yours will be certainly swept away immediately this regime has been dumped to the dung bin where it belongs.Make no mistake about it! And just in case you are talking about us respecting Omukama Gafabusa, he really must earn our respect by behaving like a real king if he is to remain relevant. He cannot claim to be a cultural leader and yet decide to behave like he is M7’s RDC with NRM-O party affiliations. M7 himself said that this man had his party’s credentials (Read NRMO) and that is why the Omukama is behaving in a manner that is not befitting his otherwise royal status. Even your M7 cannot expect to have automatic respect from Ugandans if his behavior and conduct do not reflect him as person worth respect. And you know what? He certainly knows that he is no longer liked by Ugandans, the more reason he moves in a heavy military convoy of more than 100 battle-ready wagons. He can’t even trust our doctors to treat his own family but instead decides to airlift them to Germany at the expense of the Ugandan tax payers. Even Iddi Amin did not fear Ugandans this much!! This man steals elections, remember? There have already been two highly contested elections that he purports to have won and in which the army and armed goons killed a lot of Ugandans. While he expects other Ugandans to abide by the constitution, he neither respects his very own constitution nor his own word. See how he is now busy going around the whole country campaigning for a 6th Term in office even before his own NRM-Zero party endorses him. He is already vindicating Mbabazi in the Temangalogate even before the NSSF-Temgalo Probe Report comes out. Even this stupid politics of creating ridiculous districts and chiefdoms in every district of Buganda without due recourse to the constitution makes him a murkier dictator that does not deserve our respect. And regarding the Oweek. JB Walusimbi, his actions speak louder than his purported moderation stance with M7’s regime. He certainly does not measure up.
Quote 2:<> Now, unless you are just coming outta grave, you clearly must understand that this country Uganda, leave alone the nation called BUGANDA, has never been this much disunited as it is today since its creation. I can tell you for a fact that if God does not help us that much and anything politically catastrophic happens in this country, as it is surely likely to happen much sooner than later, this country will certainly burn and go the Somalia way. Now that your Nyarundis have already disorganized Uganda and the entire East African region, they are now busy trying to dismember Buganda. But they will not succeed. They will miserably fail just like they failed to disorganize Rwanda and DRC. Again, you guys are also fond of attributing your failures to the British colonialism. This is really stupid! It is now well over 46 years since the British left Uganda, of which 23 years have been misused by the current regime in power today and there is absolutely nothing these guys can show for this. Yet, tiny Rwanda which has just gotten a smart leadership that cares for its people more than their stomachs unlike their cousins in Uganda has made tremendous progress within just 12 years. Give them more eight years and they will be like South Africa or even Belgian. So please stop the crap that the rulers in Uganda have failed to make any meaningful impact in the lives of Ugandans simply because the Baganda, blah, blah collaborated with the British. That is cheap crap!! Matter of fact, this kind of reasoning has not only become stale but also childish stuff from Kyankwanzi. Is it only Uganda or a bunch of these other miserable no-gooder African dictatorships that were colonized? Please do not give us that lousy crap, let the apologists of the Kampala dictatorship find other reasons to explain away their miserably poor performance of Uganda’s economy and public infrastructure for the last 23 years. The British colonialists who you so much love to hate did a comparatively superb job when they were here than these pretenders of yours who are only milking our country dry. And Mukulu David, unless you did not study African history, there is no country in Africa [– apart from Ethiopia and certainly for obvious reasons], that was never colonized. Both those who resisted and those who collaborated were equally crushed, though it must be said that those who collaborated did not suffer that much in terms of human hemorrhage and material destruction than those who resisted ala Bunyoro. Now you talk of alleged treachery and divisionism starting within Buganda Kingdom. You must be kidding about what you are saying! I guess you have still managed to misplace your facts on this one, too! Buganda Kingdom would not have been the mightiest Kingdom for all the ages it has been if it was what you claim it to have been. These are your usual hopeless kyakamukyaka lessons from Kyankwanzi.
Quote 3: <> Here you go again! Unless you are not a Ugandan to know that Uganda became UGANDA because of the long relationship between England and Buganda, there is no way the Queen of England could come to Uganda and expect His Majesty the Kabaka to meet with her in any other place apart from his palace or Bulange. Matter of fact, the Queen had accepted the Kabaka’s invitation up until the usual confused and narrow-minded politics of your M7 took over the better half of the Queen to change her mind at the last hour. And unless you do not know the meaning of the word “yearn “, the Kabaka/Mengo did not yearn for the Queen’s handshake. It was not a big deal for the Kabaka/Buganda Kingdom to either be in M7’s State House or shake the Queen’s hand. Everybody else apart from you of course knows exactly who craved that much to have the Queen shake their hands, including your Omukama Gafabusa who had initially thrown around his usual empty tantrums to the effect that he would not accept to meet with the Queen unless he was compensated by England for the alleged crimes committed by the British colonialists against the Banyoro.
Quote 4: <>. There you go again! You are not even sure up to now that the Omukama Gafabusa went to State House and was one of those people who gleefully shook the Queen’s gloved hand??? Then what use is it for me to continue discussing any serious matter with you, because like I earlier on mentioned, you argue with a lot of ignorance, my brother! You are really no different from a one Ford Mirima or any of these redundant RDCs who are on sinecure appointments. And you must really be very naïve if you think that reconciliation can just happen by a mere shaking of hands with adversaries!!! Ask your friend M7 how many times he has shaken hands with people he has issues with and how many times has he really made genuine reconciliation with them?? Now, regarding Bunyoro’s so-called out of court settlements with the British Foreign Office, well,well, we wish them much luck in their continued day-dreaming!
Quote 5: <> You call Oweek. Eng. Walusimbi a far-sighted Katikiro?? My foot!! Someone who “negotiates” with the Kamapala terrorists for their criminality of kidnapping Mengo ministers and Omukungu Nambooze for over 8 days is a far-sighted individual? I can tell you for a fact that if it had not been for the brains of the young legal minds at Mengo, M7 and his fellow bunch of terrorists would still be having these loyal Kabaka servants under illegal custody. He said they had committed crimes against him and the state but even up to now, Oweek. Mayiga has not yet been charged for any offense nor his other two colleagues have had their concocted cases progress!! And unless you did not get to read that hopeless document that was signed between your Eng. Walusimbi and his “Tinye”, you cannot really take Eng. Walusimbi for a serious person. Even these so-called behind the closed door meetings he is now rumoured to be having with the Kampala terrorists can’t yield any fruits for Buganda. Just forget it!
Quote 6:<> Get your historical facts right, Mr. “David”! There is no African chief or King who resisted the colonialists right from the Cape of Good Hope to the Magreb “preserved” their people’s independence. That is the hopeless Kyakamukyaka gossip which is just aimed at comically rewriting history. Incidentally, while you talk of the hopeless exchange of human and material wealth between the then African chiefs and the colonialists, you are forgetting that this exchange is no different from the one the pretender -regime in Kampala is carrying out. Matter of fact, theirs (read NRMO) is much worse. For the last 23 years that criminal regime in Kampala has been in power, what can it show for the material, financial and human resources it inherited from the previous regimes? Uganda’s external debt jumped from USD $ 1.405 Billion (in 1987) to USD $ 4.5 Billion (in 2008). While the past regimes built hospitals, schools, dispensaries, roads,paid scholarships and bursaries to needy students, built our foreign Embassies and High Commissions, etcetera, this regime has only managed to accumulate all this debt without showing anything tangible it has used for it, save only the high military expenditures, the building of personal shopping malls , hotels, houses, etcetera, all through corruption. Further, there is now a hell of brain drain taking place from Uganda into the Diaspora, including of all places Rwanda, for Ugandans to get meaningful employment. Mr. David, how about the many young men and women who are daily being shipped to Iraq and Afghanistan to guard American military and civil installation just but for a few peanuts? How about the many graduates on the streets of Kampala and other towns who can’t find any gainful employment in that country that is now being dominated by one ethnic group from Ankole and Kigezi?? I can tell you for a fact that there is no country in the whole country, of course apart from M7’s Uganda, that can freely give out its natural forests and huge chunks of lands to so-called investors for free and at will!! You destroy a huge natural forest just to plant sugarcanes and then you talk of having a sane regime in power?? Our former Kings and Chiefs could not even have done this madness in their most difficult times with the colonialists!!!
Quote 7: <> Well, Mr. David, my name could suggest venom but there is no way that I am inciting ethnic hatred against other Ugandans who are non-Baganda. Even Musinguzi can testify to this!! Buganda itself is a nation of an amalgamation of so many former “tribes” that now make it. Now on the contrary, it’s M7 and you people who are pitting one ethnic group in Buganda against another just for your hopeless selfish political motives. How can M7 and his likes begin to go around telling the Bakooki , Basesse, Banyala, Baruli, the Baganda of Ssembabule, Mawogola, etecetra that they are not Baganda and that they must break away from Buganda? And you call this man a nationalist? No, way!! This man is the biggest tribalist this country has ever seen/had!!His army, police and other security services, URA, and other civil services- institutions are all dominated by one single tribe from Ankole-Kigezi and then you say that we people who talk against this unprecedented tribalism in Uganda are the tribalists? Come on, give me a break!!!
Now, Mr. David, I love to discuss with serious minds. Judging from a whole bunch of your postings on this forum, you ain’t one, I am afraid. Does it surprise you that you are only alone on this side of the debate??
October 14th, 2008 at 5:51 am
David,
The basic problem you have is that the more people get to know and put Museveni’s actions under a microscope the more they do not like what they see. His problem is that he never really understood the entity that is called Buganda or maybe he chose to delude himself that he could compete with the Kabaka. He forgot that Kabaka was the reason he got to be President in the first place. Alot of people sacrificed on the promise of federo so the way one should approach such a situation has to be different. You are dealing with a group of people who are more advanced than you in the art of smart politics becuase they have had 700 years of practice. You do not negotiate in such away that it is obvious that you still have the upper hand so eventually it seems like byoya bya nswa.
Whatever is negotiated on behalf of the Baganda has to be seen to be fair by all. Ofcourse there will be people who will make it their business to read line-by-line and decipher. Our ancestors were wise enough to come up with a sophisticated system of checks and balances comprising different stakeholders that have to be convinced; the Kabaka, Lukiiko, Bataka and the Baganda at large. Sooner or later if it is inded byoya bya nswa one of them will find out. But Museveni is not about to change infact he is too old and arrogant for that so negotiating with him a deal that everyone finds satisfactory is impossible. It is best to follow Kabaka’s advice, “tumutunulile butunulizi” because sooner or later the cancer that has been festering for sometime will burst.
As to Museveni’s negotiation history, I am not sure he has successfully negotiated but more or less ‘paid’ them to leave the bush and it has only worked on the unprincipled, the gullible and the downright greedy. Not because they suddenly had a Saul to Paul conversion moment but the package was made very attractive with more to come. For all of them, the rebels and the negotiators, it is negotiations are a soure of income. Eventually they are put in charge of entities where there is alot of money to cream off at their leisure and then Museveni rests easy. That has created all sorts of problems top of which is the depth of corruption (according to the last Transparency International report, Uganda is much more corrupt than Nigeria). Uganda is this bottomless pit which is a source of free money for all and sundry.
I think you should not attribute Museveni to solving the regional problems because they are not solved and some would say that he created them. In reality, America is behind all the solving and causing. For instance it is now common knowledge that in Kenya it was the American stick i.e. the threat of ICC that did the trick, if anything Museveni made the situation worse by openly supporting one side over the other and Kenyans absolutely hate him for that.
The opposition has found fertile ground. Don’t you ever wonder how come they were unable to make inroads in the last 20 years but have been able to do so in the last few years? As the English say, “familiarity breeds contempt”. When one stays too long eventually the cupboard overflows with skeletons and they begin to spill out even for the common man.
October 14th, 2008 at 9:39 am
David,
You are really mixing up issues on M7’s schemes against Buganda vis-a-vis the self-styled Ssabanyala and ssabaluri. To be very honest with you, I will agree with Mr. Busagwa that you are really a very poor debater. Just in case you need to understand my earlier position on the constitutionality or lack thereof for the political creations of the ssabaluris and ssabanyalas of this world within Buganda by Mr. Museveni, please read again the following critical areas of the 1995 Uganda constitution:
1) The First Schedule of the 1995 Uganda Constitution in which all the districsts of Buganda and other regions are clearly spelt out;
2) Chapter 16, Article 246 (2) on the Institution of Traditional Leadership in which constitutional procedures are laid out to resolve any cuktural or traditional impasses. It is actually you and NOT me who calls the self-styled ssabanyala/ssabaluri cultural leaders that are within the geographical confines of the Kingdom of Bugand and, therefore, your constitution clearly lays down the procedures of resolving problem areas such as the one of these self-seekers aka ssabaluri/ssabanyala. The creation of a “cultural leader” within Buganda, Bunyoro, Tooro, Ankole and any other region is not the prerogative of Mr. Museveni but parliament and the local authorities concerned. Buganda is already a single unified entity with clear boundaries where you cannot have sel-imposed and self-styled independent chiefdoms!! This is madness of the highest nature. What you are advocating for and what Mr. Museveni is doing is nothing but anarchy. And please do not mix your confusion with His Highness Prince Kamuswaga of Kooki. It is neither Mr. Museveni nor the colonialists that brought Kamuswaga Kabumbuli’s Kooki into Buganda. And like Mr. Busagwa has already pointed out, Mr. Museveni had already schemed to have the Kamuswaga break away from Buganda, but the Kamuswaga could not allow himself to be used in such stupid schemes against the Kabaka and his nation Buganda.
3) Chapter 11, Article 178 (3). Please note that the import of this chapter is basically on the deeming of such regions as Buganda, Bunyoro, Tooro, etecetra to have accepted to come together as single units, call them regions, by the time of promulgamation of the 1995 constitution. That is the more reason it relates with the First Schedule of the 1995 Uganda Constitution. I am a legal mind and I know what I am talking about. I am actually now tending to agree with other forum members that you do not understand at all what you are arguing about. Your level of debate is no better than that of Ford Mirima, Kateregga Musazi, Tmale Mirundi and their likes. They argue just for the sake of it!! It is, for instance, completely irrelevant for you to begin making uncaled -for references to the lies that the ssabaluris/ssabanyala’s cultures are allegedly being subjugated by the Kabaka of Buganda or rather the greater Kingdom of Buganda. That is complete hogwash!What makes us all UGANDANS is not because we speak the same language (which we don’t as a matter of fact!!), share similar history and cultures (which we don’t!!), etecetra but because we happen to have been bound up together by the British colonialists. Barack Obama is mulatto and half Kenyan but he is an American. In any case, if there are any cultural matters to be settled between the different cultral units that make up Buganda, it is not Mr. Museveni or the Mugweza Butamanyas of this country to solve them but the constutional provisions to that effect. Museveni’s role in Uganda is not cultural but political;not one to create and preside over so-called cultural-political entities ala Ssabanyala/ssabaruli but to constutionally advise, if called upon by both parties, to resolve a cultural/traditional matter. That is why his political-cultyral creatures ala ssabanyala/ssabaluri are illegal;
4) Chapter 11, Article 179 is on the boundaries of local or regional governments. Please clearly note the words “local or regional governments”! While certainly Buganda is not a district, and I am glad that this time round you managed to understand this fact with little difficulty, the import is on the matter of creating tiny districts and so-called break-way chiefdoms ala Buruli and Bunyala chiefdoms. This very debate is centered around the Baganda’s anager that the self-styled ssabaluri was illegaly backed up by the state security agencies including Mr. Museveni’s PGB and prevented His Majesty the Kabaka from touring one of his counties, i.e. Buruli, ostensibly because Mwogeza Butamanya and Museveni claim that Buruli is not part of Buganda. Please do not reason like a robot! Read the entire texts of the constitution within the context of this debate before you can begin to split hairs or rather become pedantic.
David, while you did not make any effort to quote for me the relevant chapters, articles, clauses and paragraphs of the constitutional provisions regarding the unconstitutional attempts by your idol Museveni at dividing up the people of Buganda and the Kingdom of Buganda, you hardly made any meaningful reference to the same in your previous rejoinder. So, you are wrong to inform your readers that I was mixing up chapters and paragraphs. Clearly from the way you present issues, you are confirming to the forum members that you are neither academic nor intellectual. This is the more reason you resort to insulting me and other forum members than debate in a sensible and an organized manner.
My straight answer to you on the self-styled ssabaluri and ssabanyala is that they are definitely illegal entities that will never be recognized by the Kabaka and the Buganda Kingdom. And no amount of pressure or intimidation will make us buckle. When time is appropriate, the legal minds at Mengo will resort to the courts of law. You must be aware of the recent court victory that Tumukunde has just won against your Museveni when the latter decided to act unconstitutional in removing the former from parliament. Similarly, we will defeat Museveni in the courts of law if we ever decide to take him to court for his continued unconstitutional actions. He is acting like he owns Uganda!!!
You even tire me when you folks carelessly continue to talk about “rectifying historical mistakes made by the Britsish, blah, blah, …”. You cannot reinvent the wheel, my dear! Even this very country called Uganda was a historical mistake, even the creation of tribal armies like this so-called UPDF was a constitutional mistake,the police was a historical mistake, the religious institutions were a historical mistake, the schools in Buganda a historical mistake, just name it! Are you aware that the whole bunch of Nortrhen Uganda is supposed to be part of Sudan and the DRC?? Are you also going to tell us that Sudan, DRC, Tanzania and Kenya are going to “correct” historical mistakes by annexing back those territories within UGANDA that are otherwise supposed to belong to their respective countries. That is why I told you that the primordial/primitive politics Museveni is playing with is bound to create more problems for this country and the Great Lakes region. That is why he even made blunders to unsuccesfully invade DRC and Rwanda where his armies committed lots of crimes against humanity and looted Congo to the extent that Uganda as a country now owes Congo huge sums of money because of this type of primordial and stupid politics. And that is why he caused the death of three Ugndans and one Indian when he secretly attempted to give away Mabira Forest to the Madhvani, if not himself, to plant sugar canes in place of the natural forest that is providing the entire peoples of East Africa with rains and the “big lungs” for the increasing pollution of the towns and cities within this region.
Finally, I wish to end this posting by stating that the dictatorship in Kampala is really in serious trouble if its advocates are the types of you, David. I hope you are doing them a free service or lest the Ugandan tax payer’s money in form of your wages/salaries or gratuties is really being wasted. Nkubulire David, tomalako, bambi!!!
October 14th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Folks,
I do not think that you will be able to have David see the sense of your arguments however much you will continue to argue with him. There are naturally those types of people who you will show something WHITE and they will instead see something BLACK. Clearly, there is a huge problem with the way the state of affairs are being conducted in Uganda by the regime in power. And folks, particularly those who live within Uganda should be honest enough to admit that things ain’t moving right in that part of the continent. May be David is a beneficiary of the corrupt regime down there, and he may need to be forgiven for his relentless blind defenses!
Good luck with yourselves, folks!
October 14th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Busagwa
As your name suggests,i can’t waste my valuable time answering your nonsense because amn’t an expert in reading and comprehending trash.I can’t waste my time reading your clustered rubbish and i need to remind you that,”the higher the monkey climbs a tree,the more it exposes its nakedness”.You better use your PC to do more useful things than wasting time exposing your STUPIDITY,SECTARIANISM,PRIMITIVITY,ECCENTRICISM AND PAROCHIALISM.Infact,your first arguement gives credence to my observation towards you.It greatly undermines your credibility about historical facts,probably you’re a mere academic posture.
You thus start by arguing that,the only ruler that is “constitutionally” recognised in Buganda apart from the Kabaka is “Prince Kamuswaga” mbu era he’s the “brother” of Kabaka Mutebi.First of all,what constitution are you referring to?,the 1995 constitution doesn’t talk about the Kabaka,Rwot,Abakama,Kyabazinga etcetera but it Only talks about TRADITIONAL INSTITUTIONS
For your information,is there a prince called Kamuswaga or that Kamuswaga is just a title?,won’t i be surprised if next time you say that the ruler of Buganda is King Kabaka?
For your information,that gentleman is called Apollo Sansa 11(Kabumbuli) and his father was Edward Kabumbuli who died in 1986.He’s the hereditary ssaza chief from the royal family of Kooki.Remember that Kooki was an independent kingdom until 1896 when it merged with Buganda and thus the Kamuswaga became the Kooki head.When the Kabaka attends the Lukiiko,the Kamuswaga sits next to him may be as per your brain,thats the brotherhood you mean!!
I really pitty the Kabaka and Buganda at large to be with such kind of phoney intelligensia of your ilk.(LOLS).Just in case you’re warning and threatening the Banyoro/Baruuli,don’t rant via the net from the diaspora.Be man enough,go and distort those stupidities but you first make a will before you set off.
October 14th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Steve,
I guess your observations about David are pretty much valid. However, I appreciate the efforts of other debaters like Tara, Getu,Ali and Musinguzi to continue debating with him so they can debunk his rather wanting positions on the forum subjects under discussion. I also find his debating style very funny, but he is there with his positions which people need to respond to. More often than not, he debates out of context. Take for example his citation and interpretation of the constitution. Anyway, what I am saying is that we should not give up on him. Neither should Tara, Getu and Busagwa relent on their brilliant presentation of facts on the subjects under discussion. They are contributing to a very lively debate inspite of the mismatch they or rather should I say we have with David.
My special salutations to you Getu, Tara, Busagwa and Musinguzi! Even to you, Steve!
God bless!! Awangale nyo Ssabasajja Kabaka!
October 14th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Nankindu
As you’re too inquisitive of knowing my surname,did Steve… tell you his?.Stop dilly-dallying,when did the LC5 chairmen/Parliament converge to talk about the issue of the Kamuswagaship?,because don’t tell me that its Mengo that gave the green light because it has NO legal force to do so.The issue of cultural rulers is ONLY and ONLY in article(s) 37 and 246,PERIOD.For the remaining articles you’re trying to allude,thats your katogo.
For your information,no cultural ruler is the superitendant of another and so even though they aren’t recognised by Mengo,the world isn’t going to come to an end.Yes,Tumukunde won the court case,then does it need to take Mengo over 10 years to report this man in the same court?,which bells are you waiting for in order to go to court?,you’re mere cowards.For your information,stop behaving like a “paper tiger” when you try to threaten other cultural rulers.Be woman enough by going to warn them face-to-face instead of ranting via the PC
October 14th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Steve Dwight
If you and those buffoons really CAN’T understand a very simple document like the constitution,then thats NOT my problem.On reading your idol,Nankindu’s references i then come to a conclusion that she’s ONLY fit to legally practise in cases of chicken stealing.Imagine you are talking about cultural institutions,then she’s bringing in district boundaries!!!.She goes on to tell me to write down all the articles embedded in Local governance(moreover that are irrelevant in this context,really mwe amateeka mugayigira ku LC1 z’ebyaalo byamwe?
As you said,sense of what arguements?,its really typical nonsense.People are protecting the Kabaka against an impending melee and there you have hoodlums saying this and that,really are you up to your senses?.I don’t care whether i sound like Tamale,Mirima et al but that your arguements are SICKENING and that they don’t fit in a wider Uganda forum,otherwise if you’re at per with the other tribes,why call for secession?
October 15th, 2008 at 2:31 am
David,
I guess you really have a big-time problem with your debating skills. That is why all your postings are mean, abusive and to a great extent outta context with what is being discussed. How dare you call people you are discussing with buffoons??? I honestly do not think that you even deserve to continue debating with civilized folks on this forum. Absolutely not! See, people who always do not have strong points to back up their positions in civilized debates resort to being abusive of the debating procedures and the debates themselves. You are actually acting like John Mccaine and his runningmate Sarah Palin who have lost the debate and are now busy calling Barack Obama names. Can you please lift up the level of your debating style and skills? Can you please make your case without being abusive? Personally, I will really find it very difficult to respond to you next if you continued to lose focus and sanity of the debate and resorted to such insulting remarks towards your fellow debaters. Besides, just like Ali, Getu and Tara have already pointed out, you are mixing up issues quite a bunch! To be honest with you, your train of thought is pretty much confused and outta context! Can we please keep these debates at the intellectual and civilized level rather than at the pedestrian path you have chosen to walk??
October 15th, 2008 at 3:09 am
Incidentally David, Dwight is my surname. My first name/Christian name is Stephen. I use Steve as shortform in place of Steve. It is typical here in the English -speaking part of Canada. My mom is Muganda and my dad is Canadian. And I love both my parents very much. I am Canadian with “half roots” in Uganda. I am really concerned that my mother’s original country of origin (UGANDA/BUGANDA)is being messed up. That is why I am on this forum. So, please go right ahead and give Ali/Tara your own surname! What are you hiding it for?
October 15th, 2008 at 4:57 am
David,
People on this Kimeza must really be seeing the difference between you and I. You are definitely someone who cannot debate judiciously and qualitatively. And like Steve Dwight has observed, you are extremely illogical and allover the place with the manner in which you present your ideas, many of which are not factual. It is actually a waste of time to continue having any debate with someone like you who apparently has a low reasoning power. By the way “David”, the manner and style in which you debate issues and in such a wanting manner is no different from the one I have read on Ugandans-at-Heart@goolegroups.com by Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi, the Bukedde journalist. I am actually now more than convinced that you are not DAVID but indeed Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi; the more reason you would rather not give us your true names. Talk of your own monkey climbing up higher the tree thereby exposing its unpleasant nakedness, huh??? Nkukutte bwana Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi aka DAVID!
October 15th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Steve
No,no,no…..,before i started debating on the previous topic,look at how your idols were debating.Really,can you be in an ALL inclusive debate engulfing the input of other tribes on these issues of Buganda and you start spitting words like;ba “serwajja okwoota”,ba “twariire”,the “dikuula” traditional rulers etcetera?,and they go on to write that they’ll reverse what they call “stupidities”?,why not do it now?,is that really the rationality you’re talking about?!!!.Really,how comes that these “stupidities” even met the Queen?,this would infact have been highlighted even in the UK dailies that,”The Queen met stupidities in Uganda”!!!!!For your information,i just commented and that i didn’t request for any reply from you and your likes because i knew that this is your bitter pill.
Ok M7/NRM might be wrong on one way or the other,but in their opposition to his policies,those who think that are “cleaner” than him(whether the traditionalists or the opposition),should instead come out to show that they are far better him in policy framework
Remember that even the other tribes have their demands like the Ebyaiffe(Basoga),Ebyeitu(Batooro/Banyoro) etcetera but do you hear threats of ethnic cleansing against a particular tribe in case this regime falls?,do hear their radios abusing the government because it has failed to meet their demands?
About the word “buffoon”,YES and YES,i really have NO remorse for saying so.Who is this boy,Busagwa to redicule,demean and undermine Eng Walusimbi,really is he used by the Mengo clique am talking about or that he has crack on his head?,okey let me put aside M7 et al.Do you think that the appointing authority(kabaka) was wrong to appoint him?,yet you call him maaso moggi(one who’s far sighted)?.He has been with Walusimbi for years and he knows his qualities like patience in this case which you’re depending on to crucify him!!!!.Then there you’re blowing the trumpet giving credit to this IDIOT were its not due!!!!,is this the rationality you’re talking about?.Why didn’t you also villify Muliika for hindering plans of the Lubiri development yet the Kabaka had given them a nod?.Which “neutral” court has passed a verdict of Walusimbi’s alleged “crime”?,isn’t this mobocracy that you and your likes are practising?
Anyway,the source of your headache with Walusimbi is that of preventing hoodlums from using radio CBS as a spring board of launching venomous attacks against the government and also meeting M7(as if it was a secret meeting) forgetting that even the Kabaka’s private confidant also attended!!!
For your information and basing on what you and your likes are spewing,i don’t need to give you my name kuba mwesitazza era siri ku mukolo gwa kwanjula.Your ideas and hatred against other tribes and personalities make me vormit.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Busagwa
You’re the one with a VERY LOW IQ and if i was in your proximity,i would advocate that you see a psychiatrist.Really what logic is in your debates?,the lies,insults,historical distortions,disrespect of elders?,ebyo bilimbe abo ba Steve.And that if am Kateregga Musaazi,fantastic go on and report me to Mengo.Can you match Musaazi’s debates in the NewVision and Bukedde?,why don’t you also write your separate views in the same paper for the public to judge?.You are mere driven by uncalled for emotions in your quest for Buganda’s demands as if you’re the right person to do so!!!
October 15th, 2008 at 11:11 am
David,
I now also highly doubt whether it is meaningful any more to continue debating with you, more particularly on this very subject. You have completely lost it! The only prize you can possibly get from those you represent on this forum is that of insulting others. No wonder that M7 – the chief insulter – is your big idol. I am equally surprised that you regard highly Kateregga-Musaazi. No wonder you both parrot M7 the same way! Katereggaz inferiority complex is also not any less different from yours anyway. Apropos, how come that the rest of the forum members are on one side and you are alone on the other side??? Don’t you think that this is just enough to show you that there is something terribly wrong with yourself? That you are completely irrelevant on this highly regarded forum??
Lastly, if your M7 thinks that he is now too powerful and careless a dictator to just behave like a bull in a China shop everywhere, let him go ahead and attack the Kabaka. M7 has just said that he is next to God. The other time he was claiming that the might of his rug tag army is next to that of the U.S. This all hogwash! O.K, fine. He can go ahead and attack the Kabaka but I can assure you that real hell will break loose this time round all over that hopeless banana republic. Tukooye okutumanyira by people who are suffering from an inferiority complex! They are supposed to be in the bush herding cattle and not in government busy screwing up stuff!! Twakoowa!!!!
October 15th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Mw.Kateregga Musaazi aka David,
There you go again with your confusion and typical throwing up of insults! Like I told you earlier on, the forum members can still judge between my sense of sanity and yours.
Now about your so-called elders the Mwogeza Butamanyas of Uganda, no sane Muganda and Muluri can respect him. He is a confused imposter who is not even known to the people of Bululi apart from you, M7 and your confused lot. So do not talk to us about respecting those dikuula cultural imposters.
Well, the reason you are hiding your true names behind DAVID is because you are even ashamed of what you are saying and doing against Buganda and the people of Buganda. You are no different from those Kampala murderers who ride cars with tinted glass. They are so ashamed of their shenanigans and that’s why they want to hide themselves behind the tinted glasses. You really must be a very big coward! Mengo does not want any ounce of your low brain and low self-esteem,so you do not be to get worried. You are so insignificant for Mengo to have any headache.
That Kateregga is a great writer in your Bukeddes and New Vision?? Phew, do not give me that lousy crap! Incidentally, I hardly consider those two dailies to be serious sources of information and I rarely read them. So your Katereggas and Ofwono Ofondos of yours can write and impress you but not me Busagwa, my dear!
I am a proud Muganda and not a tribalist like M7 and your likes. It’s actually you guys the Nyarundis whom we have treated so well in Buganda and in Uganda for such a long time and are now stubbing us in the back. Shame upon you!!! In the entire history of this country, M7 has been the most tribalist this country has ever seen. Baganda have been so accomodative of other nationalities for a very long time and it is now you the Nyarundis who are bringing the confusion in the whole country and the region.
Buganda has legitimate demands my dear, and any Ugandan ruler who hides their heads in the sand and think that they can afford to play hard ball with Buganda for long is definitely foolhardy. You can read about the experiences of the British in Buganda and Uganda. Milton Obote should also have died a very miserable fellow in Zambia for the stupid mistakes he committed against Buganda. You do not just play around with the Baganda in that kind of style and you think that you will have a smooth ride
I am glad that I can give free love to my nation BUGANDA without having to be paid like you guys are by M7. That makes the whole bunch of difference, my dear! Our love to His Majesty the Kabaka and Buganda Kingdom is neither induced by monetary gains nor by coercision. That is why we walk around with our heads high above shoulders unlike you Nyarundis who always think that the Baganda and other Ugandans despise you and owe you a living, the reason you exhibit that terribly aweful inferiority complex. Get a life, my dear Kateregga aka DAVID!
October 15th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Tara
I don’t need any relevance from your likes.Even there is no single day i’ll go to Mengo longing for the Obwaami or any other knighthood.Moreover,you are saying that M7(forgetting that he restored the kingships) the “chief insulter” is my idol but aren’t there abebitiibwa now at Mengo who exalted Obote/UPC and that they are now pretending to love the Kabaka soooo much?!!!
Going to Kateregga,why then does the CBS management continue inviting this fellow who has an “inferiority complex”,”anti-Kabaka”,”irrational” etcetera as per your half baked analysis?,being that he’s not different from me,don’t you think that your advise to the CBS management in excommunicating him from the station(Tamale Mirundi style) is long over due?.Being irrelevant on this forum is no surprise to me kuba mwe wemutyo,even thats your behaviour(of intolerance to divergent views) on Mambo Bado and purpoted Federo seminars,in otherwords eyo mpiisa yamwe okuvuma n’okuvoola abakungu ba government.
Really,you people i’ll continue laughing at you.Mubugumiriira nyo,nyo… by jumping on every bandwagon.In 1997,during Tinyefuza’s disputes with M7,Mengo embraced him and even lent him her lawyer,Godfrey Lule.Now you’re crying that he’s whipping you.How many lawyers did Mengo get for Lt Cols Kawuma and Badru Kiyingi in their court cases?.In 2000,Mengo jumped on that of Besigye after having parted with M7,forgetting that the former fought tirelessly to block the coronation of the Kabaka and the return of some of Buganda’s properties.Come 2005,Tumukunde’s turn of giving him publicity courtesy of CBS radio,forgetting the Baganda youth he arrested as CMI chief on suspicion of rebel collaboration.In the same year,Muntu also turned up on the same radio,forgetting the Baganda officers he purged in 1986-87 as DMI chief.Now there you’re falling in bed with Muhwezi and Otafire!!!!,the latter having been blacklisted by Mengo for calling her an NGO.In future,i can’t be surprised when its Kaihura or when Tinye resurfaces.
M7,for your information CAN’T attack the Kabaka,although he’s being continously provoked by some “big” fellas there at Mengo.He’s the one who restored the Kingships and so he can’t destroy them.The problem he has with them is the existance of rogue elements,especially yours(Mengo) who think that they are kitalo like your ilk.Many of these rogues especially the political miserablists from the moribund groupings hide in the Mengo shadows to cause discontentment between the two parties.And by talking about his “rag-tag” army,don’t forget that its this “rag-tag” army that gives protection to the Kabaka.As per your continous bushing of M7,remember that many baganda elders painfully assert that also the kabaka “participated” in the Liberation war(1981-86),in the same vain i wish that you also advise him to return to the bush and herd cattle(as per your brain) and not be at Mengo to preside over Buganda affairs.
Kamanyiiro!!!!!
October 15th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Busagwa
As your name sounds,stop your stupid delusions.Apart from the police that barricaded the road to Nakasongola,have you forgotten that demonstrations were already taking root at the district headquarters?,and have you forgotten that even in the 1960s when the Kabaka visited that area at the height of the Referendum on the “lost” counties those people violently demonstrated against him??,were the present rulers again instigating these acts as per your f****n brain?!!!
Really,i even become sick by the mere reading of your name as the saying goes that,”a bad name resembles the actions of its owner” and further,there is an English adage that goes,”you can take a person from the village but you can’t take the village out of him”,hence your academic posturing with bald-faced lies which your fellow simpletons above give a nod!!!
Yes,we the Nyarus and Rundis are stabbing you but don’t forget that we are stabbing the stupid ones of your ilk and that we shall continue doing so because NO government is patient with the foolish behaviour like yours.And have you forgotten that by abusing us,the Nyarus and Rundis,you are as well abusing some of your Mengo officials like Higiro Ssemajege and Venetia Ssebudandi?!!!,mwe abeekuba endoobo ate nemuzigabira abalala.You’re a bunch of confused fellas(lols)
No bwana Busagwa,stop your verbal diarrhoea,i’ve never longed to work at Mengo and i don’t admire at all.For your information,iam happily employed with enough bucks to sustain me unlike you scum with your likes yearning for recognition to swell the shadowy “Buganda Defence Force” oba under whose command??.Infact as per one of the topics on this site,they’re calling for a “venomous” Katikiro to oversee its formation and operations hence hatred against Walusimbi,a calm gentleman.
Further,when Tamale Mirundi was being invited on the CBS in the early 2000s,he was then rational and brainy gentleman but after exposing the dirty linen of those fellas,they now don’t need “any ounce of his brain”.Now why is it that you don’t advise Mengo to sack me,Kateregga Musaazi(as per your stupid assumptions),on the Wednesday programmes so that they instead invite you the “brainy” fella???!!!!.Kati tolaba nti gwe ayekuba endobo kuba am at Mengo while for you who pretends to excessively “love” Mengo,you’re in the cold??!!!!,hence my earlier proverb of the monkey climbing a tree……
October 16th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Bwana Kateregga alias DAVID,
First of all, I wish first all to conguratulate you upon the fact that you have at last admitted that you are a Nyarundi. I could without a doubt easily discern this fact from the level of the inferiority complex you exhibit in all your postings, including all those on Ugandans-at-Heart@googlegroups.com. I, however, want to tell you that while there are terribly vile Nyarundis like you, M7 and the rest of your stock who are screwing up Uganda, there are those well-meaning Nyarundis like the Kagames & co. Just look at the way Rwanda is developing at a terrific speed in just a space of only 12 years since they experienced the genocide which is also partly blamed on your idol M7. Give them more 5 or 8 more years and you will see how that country will be like Jo’burg or Durban. Now, even if you give your M7 fifty more years, Uganda will be as hopeless as it is today, if not worse, judging from the level at which M7 is stealing the country’s wealth (cf. 7 Billion USD he is reported to have stolen from Uganda and DRC!!!).
For your information, in the glorious Ganda culture, once you are a foreigner but nonetheless decide to peacefully settle and fully assimilate into the Ganda culture like Oweek. Ssemajege and the like, you become a Muganda. So, please note that while the people you have mentioned above are originally from Rwanda/Burundi – just like yourself -, they are proud Baganda unlike you who is suffering from an identity crisis and inferiority complex. So, take note that there are both good and bad Nyarundis and you yourself fall in the bad one category, the more reason you suffer from a terrible inferiority complex.
It is really nonesensical for you to begin talking of “demonstrations” against His Majesty the Kabaka in Buruli. These so-called demonstrations by a bunch of confused Banyoro that were organized and bused – in by Mululi Mukasa, Ford Mirima and Gafabusa a few days before HM visited this county of Buganda cannot be referred to as demonstrations. How come that huge crowds of Baruli who were pouring out in the roads to greet their Kabaka were typically turned away by those armed goons on Mambas and tear gas with instruction from above (M7)?
M7 was certainly not there when Obote organized similar hooligans against the Ssekabaka Mutesa II in the 60s. But have you forgotten that by that time M7 was working as an intelligence/research officer in Obote Iz government? Are you not aware that M7 is a political son of Milton Obote although he later regretted for having employed and educated him at the expense of the Ugandan tax payersz monies? Obote was a murderer and an election thief, just like his political son M7 is. So, Mukulu Karegga aka DAVID, M7 did not need to have been in charge of Uganda in the 60s to do what he has just done to the Kabaka in 2008! He is like father (Obote) like Son (m7)!
Well, everybody else apart from you knows exactly who is coming from the bush and village. I am Busagwa the proud Muganda and I have never herded/grazed cattle in my life. Itz you and your Nyarundi brothers who have still failed to know that you are in Kampala and no longer in the bush/village. That is why you have even decided to graze your huge heads of cattle allover the place in Kampala and its surburbs. Even at your derelict police stations in Kampala surburbs, you find goats and heads of cattle being attended to by people in police uniforms. So, the saying that “you can take a person out of the bush/village but you can never completely take the bush/village out of that person” exactly applies to you, M7 and your inferior stock. That is also why Uganda has become miserably poorer under M7 inspite of the more than two decades you guys have been forcefully in power.
Now that the biggest tribalist M7 has decided to create his tribal “army” (read militia) better known as the ADF (Ankole Defense Forces)- just look at the composition and leadership of the so-called UPDF, Police, Prisons, etecetra and you will certainly agree with me that Buganda is also justified to come up with something like Buganda Defense Forces. Did your M7 found Kayiiraz UFM/A or Nkwangaz FEDEM/A or were its leaders Nyarundis like yourself? Or you want to tell me that M7 went to the bush much earlier than Kayiira/Nkwanga?? So, you are absolutely not entitled to know BDF’s strength or its High Command.Just be concerned with your Ankole Defense Forces, period!!!
Well, you can go ahead and have your lousy accolodates for Eng. JB Walusimbi. But be informed that he is the weakest Katikiro Buganda Kingdom has ever had. I respect him but I do not trust his admnistrative power to help HM the Kabaka to steer Buganda clear of the political machinations of the hyenas currently managing Uganda’s affairs.
I really doubt whether you Kateregga alias DAVID will continue to participate in the Wednesday CBS – Kiriza oba Ggana program! Why didn’t you attend this Wednesdayz CBS program, if I may ask you? Is it that you travelled to Darfur??? O.K, let us wait and see whether your participation on the program will be continue!You can ask the experience of your friend Katenda Luutu at last Saturday’s Mambo Bado! Abatatwagala naffe kati tuyiize okutabagala! It will increasingly be tit for tat, my dear! You can not be a sheep and you expect to peacefully live amongst wolves. You also need to learn how to behave like a wolf if you have to survive. For long, you Nyarundis have taken the Bagandaz good nature and unconfrontational culture for granted, but it is now time for us to fight back and if necessary, ferociously we will certainly fight against anyone who is against us!
Twakoowa!! Muddeyo ewamwe although even Kagame does not want you back there.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:34 am
Busagwa
Gwe n’ebano muli baddembe okugenda mu maaso nga mwolesa obusiru n’obupumbaavu bwamwe but the issue is that we’re going NOWHERE.We’ll continue clobbering you(the stupid ones) ate gano gakyali mabaga!!!.We can’t loose sleep because of your continous noise making.
October 17th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Mululu “DAVID”,
M7’s godfather thought that because he had the guns to intimidate and kill Baganda, he would change the course of history in Buganda. Ask the UPC members, Akena and Miria whther they were happy for Obote to have been deposed twice, kicked out of power by a Nyarundi and died in exile in such a miserable state? Iddi Amin was bragging around with Qaddafiz migs, APCs, etectra to the extent that he nicked-named himself “The Conquerer Of The British Power”, where did he die from after he had been kicked out of power by Mwalimu Julius Nyerere? Look around the capital city, surburbs and other towns today and show me a single Nubian/Kakwa walking with their heads high on their shoulders. Where is Obote’s most dreaded Oyite Ojok? How about the Okellos??? So bwana “DAVID”, do not be fooled by your fellow Nyaruz Kiboko Squads, Tear gas, guns, Mambas, etecetra and think that M7 and the rest of the Kalekyezi are here to stay for good. They will also go, and by the way much sooner than what you expect! We are long fed up with all these miserable crooks!! So, your “gakyali mabagaz” are just empty hot air! The M7 bubble is about to burst, my dear! He has already overstayed his welcome, the more reason he moves around with an unprecendeted military convoy of tens and thousands of battle-ready wagons because he is terribly scared of Ugandans!!
October 17th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Busagwa
But Obote is the one who also kicked out your “beloved” Muteesa 11 and later ran to exile where he died like a pauper.Where were the “Ssabasajja Kabaka awangales” of this world and why didn’t they set up a fund to promote his upkeep in exile anti baali “bamwagala” nyo?.They go on to add,”alikukabya amaziga,ndi mukabya musaayi”,yet on the sound of a single gun-shot,such “brave” servants/subjects ran under their beds(lols).Kati you described those SPCs that “blocked” the Kabaka,mbu they were like threads and etcetera,then where were such brave whatever to pave the way for the “namunswa”?
Even the people who featured in the newspapers pretending to do some voluntary work(bulungi bwa nsi) in preparation for the Kabaka’s visit,were just a handful.Come to talk of the stage-management antics for the sake of public consumption.And even,they were just ferried from Kampala kuba bambi bali idle anti empewo jebaza,gyebadda.This was a replica of the 1964 Referundum campaigns to determine the fate of the “lost counties” when Mengo ferried WW11 veterans and settled them in these areas in a bid to fraudulently outvote the Banyoro inhabitants.Obote was smart enough to outmanoeuvre the Mengoists by ammending the law to give priority to only those inhabitants who’d settled their
in the years preceding 1962.
This provoked Muteesa11 to go and campaign in these areas but in one incident,he was shouted down which prompted his soldiers and the KY hooligans who’d pitch camped at his palace(Ndaiga) to vent their wrath on the local population thereby burning down the nearby market,killing several people and injuring others in the fracas.
For your information,there are alot of former Amin,Obote and Lutwa men who are walking with their heads higher than your ka one.I’ll suffice to note those like Brig Kasirye Ggwanga,Gen Kazini,Brig Hussein Ada,Col Mark Kodili,Gen Moses Ali,Mustapha Adrisi(former VP,who even receives his presidential emoluments) and those during Obote’s time include Brig Otema Charles(4th Division Commander),Lt Gen Katumba Wamala(Commander Lands Forces),Maj Gen Julius Oketta,Brig Fred Tolit,Brig Nakibus Lakara,Brig Charles Angina(COS-Lands Forces),Capt Juma Seiko etcetera.Have you forgotten that the son of Lutwa is a minister in M7’s government plus the former’s(Lutwa’s) minister of Justice and Attorney General,Sam Kuteesa??!!!,how stupid and ill informed are you and your clique(s)?
So bambi ebyo byoliko its just hot air spewed by those rumour-mongers at Mengo and it seems now that Mengo is now just a rumour-mongering mill for spewing lies and distortions in a bid to promote ethnic hatred.And when will it burst(the M7 bubble),does it need to take you 20 years?,ebyo byemwasigalira okwogera.Mwemumanyi kukolima bukolimi,temuyiina kyemusobola kukola.Kuba even that fiasco of 7/10/2008,we wanted to see how manly you are,naye kati tuwuliira buwulizi nkiiko zemuyitta!!!!(lols)
October 18th, 2008 at 6:36 am
Musajja wa Kabaka Busagwa,
Of what good is it that you continue to waste your valuable time on this man called David?!? The guy lost it! He is a complete sycophant. He would quickly jump into a river the moment Museveni tells him to jump.He certainly has no brain! Frankly speaking, he does not deserve any of your responses. Just ignore him.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Tara
Oh oh….,kyenva ndaba nga abamu ku mwe mujula kukomba bigere bya Kabaka!!!!!,ezo munange si class zaffe.Although we’re baganda,it will not stop us from loving other tribes and respecting their leaders.Stay with your lumpish behaviour(s) there in the diaspora and confuse those bazungus,in otherwords,mwetabulire eyo.Akajanja kamwe kasita munakatika ku nnyonyi ne mu kaleeta eno,mufudde kuba we’ll work on you with an IRON HAND.Gwe kati olaba ensi yaguddemu nabbe kubanga Kabaka bamuganye okugenda e’Nakasongola??!!!
October 18th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Hi Tara,
I will this time round not agree with you my dear sister on ignoring Bwana Kateregga – Musaazi alias DAVID and his toadying ideas. See, this Nyarundi is no different from Tamale Mirundi, Ford Mirima, Aisha Ka(i)banda, Mwogeza Butamanya the witch and self-imposed ssabaluri, Gafabusa et.al. He is so much screwed up with funny ideas and phantasies. So, whoever can rescue him from this self-created confusion ought to be in a position to do so and thereby exposing his emptiness. And guess what? The more he responds to my rejoinders, the more he exposes his and other Nyarundiz hogwash. This Nyarundi continues to call himself a Muganda yet he is one of those miserable and nasty Baganda-haters in the pockets of the Ugandan dictator M7.
Now to this Nyarundi aka “DAVID”, I will say the following: As a proud Muganda just like Tara is, I am more than proud to defend my Kabaka and his Kingdom rather than suck up to that hopeless dictator who is busy murdering Ugandans, Congolese,etc in addition to stealing Ugandaz wealth. You can’t tell me that that miserable Nyarundi (M7) who came to power more than 20 yrs ago as a pauper has a wholesome USD $ 1.7 Billion to his name!!!! Sha, how?? Since he is not a known businessman in gold and diamonds in Uganda and in Africa, can plz your M7 tell us how he got to have that much cash-based wealth in a country so hopelessly poor like Uganda where more than 90% of Ugandans live in abject poverty to the extent that some of them (i.e. Basoga) die of jiggers? And you expect any person with a sane brain to hero-worship or even respect this dictator-thief, you Nyarundi??? You can jump a hundred times into the river whenever that thief tells us to do so, but plz Baganda are not that hopeless and desperate like you, my dear. Buganda has never been this much impoverished than your Nyarundi brother (M7) had made it to be!! The Gombolola HQs you guys are holding onto your chests as district hqs were all built by Ssekabaka Mutesa II. He is the one who built schools, hospitals, dispensaries, tamarc roads, Bulungi Bwansi roads and springs, educated a number of Ugandas, particularly Karimojongs who are far away from Buganda, among others, while your Nyarundi brother (M7)has not been able to do anything good to improve the lives of Ugandans for more than 2 decades since he captured power and you then think that the Baganda will fail to rever their current Kabaka and all the Ssekabakas?? Whoz M7 to the Baganda anyway?? He is completely nothing! If he had been winning elections fairly and squarely since he came to power, I cld possibly give him some kind of respect. But for a person who has been rigging elections, bribing M.Ps to lift presidential term limits, murders Ugandans & East Africans, steals their countries’ wealth and coin insults after insults against Ugandans cannot be respected by any sane person with grey matter!
Now, you talk about Lutwaz son in your Nyarundi govt. and those other former Obotez soldiers (save for Gen. Katumba + Brig. Gwanga) walking around with a straight face and head above their shoulders?? Ebyo werimbe, Kitawe!! While certainly not all regime members can be as despicable as you Nyarundiz and those Obote/Amin/Okello people who are now called “presidential advisers”, do not think that Baganda are that so forgetful although sometimes forgiving. Some of those you have mentioned cannot even walk free on streets of go to local markets in Buganda to buy stuff because they are ashamed of their earlier despicable acts or those of their fathers against the Baganda. Incidentally, people like Gen. Katumba Wamala and Brig. Kasirye Gwanga still command respect among fellow Baganda because they love and respect their Kabaka so much. And they never committed crimes against their pp’le while they were still in those regimes. And plz cross-check your historical facts on Gen. Katumba-Wamala regarding his alleged membership to Obotez govt! Those are your usual falsehoods and rumour -mongering sprees!! Tomumetta nziro plz! Just talk about your Anginas, Lakiburus,Tolits and Juma Seikos of that banana republic who belonged to Obote and who are still continuing to misbahave today in your Nyarundi govt. That is why those guys are in charge of Nkoni-Kiboko squads to beat up and maim Ugandans whenever there are elections and peaceful demos in that miserable country! They raid High Courts Iddi Amin/Saddam Hussein style, pull down entire schools in Mukono (cf. Juma Seiko) and do lots of other despicable things against Ugandans and then you say that they walk around with straight faces amongst Ugandans?!? You really must be kidding!
On who tells lies in Uganda and teaches siasa (rumour;untruths;propaganda)at Kyankwanzi to Ugandans, Ugandans know better. Mwattu, is it Mengo who said that they were looking for the last presidential term in 2001 and yet to turn around and bribe the Uganda parliament before 2006 with ugx 5 million?? Is it Mengo who claimed a few days ago that your mother country (Rwanda) did not have UPE programs while refuting Dr. Kizza Besigye’s comparative observations? Is it the Baganda/Mengo who recently said that they wld first wait for NSSF-Temangalogate report for them to comment on that case yet even before M7s lips dried, he secretly invited M.Ps in the night to State H’se and talked to them into writing a good report in favor of Mbabazi?? M7 is a consumate liar and everybody knows it! And you know his lies have become infectious to so many of you he (M7) keeps compnay with.That is why you have also become a hopeless liar.This is exactly the kind of sychophancy Tara was talking about in her article above regarding your blind love for your fellow Nyarundi M7 and the money he bribes you with!
It is really a big joke for you guys to continue living in a fool’s paradise by deluding yourselves that the Baganda and other Ugandans are just folding their hands and keeping quite about the mess you Nyarundis are causing to Buganda Kingdom and in the enire Uganda!! It is exactly out of this kind of slumberland Iddi Amin and Obote woke up from during their time while in power that Uganda and East Africans had already got fed up of them and kicked them out. Iddi Amin died in Exile in S.Arabia and Obote in Zambia. So, continue dreaming on in your fool’s paradise that because you have your Kiboko Squads, Mambas, Tear Gas, Kamanyiroz, etectra, all is well and that you will continue for long to mess up our country UGANDA without anything happening to your regime. Nkusekeredde nyo Kittawe!
Remind you some? Museveni had initially thought that by this time (2008), every Ugandan wld be singing Chakamuchaka hogwash and hero-worshipping him, but how wrong he was! He called hiself Ssabagabe and he is now calling himself the one ” Next to God”. All because he wants to force himself to be above everyone! Bambi mbasekeredde for your terrible inferiority complex! He also thought that he wld be the Head of East Africa and Africa at large by this time and how wrong he was? Even tiny Rwanda humiliated him and his puffed-up ADF (Ankole Defence Forces) in the jungles of the Congo to the extent that he had to swallow his arrogance of calling Kagame and co. “boys”. Bamumala akamanyiro kayagala nakakati okuletta ku Kabaka waffe!! So, don’t talk to me about that hogwash of M7’s invicibility! That hot air bubble will definitely burst soon!
Oh boy, you think the series of meetings Mengo is currently engaged in after M7’s and Gafabusa’s hopeless provocations against the Kabaka and Buganda Kingdom in Buruli are just but a cowardly act?? Phew!!! Well, let us wait see, my dear Nyarundi “DAVID”! You can’t beat Mengo/Buganda Kingdom through His Majesty the Kabaka Muwenda Mutebi II’s prudence at strategic planning and response inspite of their not having guns!! Ebyo mubilowereze ba Gafabusa bamwe who go all the way to Libya to “crown” Qadafi as their “King of Kings” just for the lure of Qadaffi’s oil dollars! You remember that the Buganda team rejected that idea and the Bunyoro team endorsed it, yet it was evidently an absurd idea?? I am not even surprised that Gafabusa is being stupidly used by M7 to antagonize Buganda Kingdom and stir up tribal hatred and wars amongst people who have been peacefully living together for long!!!
Mr. “DAVID”, the Baganda who died in Luwero, including the late Luttamaguzi, sacrified their lives on account of what M7 was telling them to the effect that he was spearheading a fight against Obote to, among others, return the Obwakabaka to Buganda. That is why many of them participated in that way, not knowing that they were being used by M7 for his selfish interests. Many more joined the way immediately Kabaka Mutebi was brought into the war theatre as “proof” to the Baganda combantants that indeed M7 was spearheading a fight against Obote and his dictatorship to restore their Obwakabaka which had been overthrown ne jjoogo lya kawenkene Obote. It is now this jjoogo which this Nyarundi M7 is repeating against the Baganda and I can assure you that it will cost him heavily. Obote left behind so many guns from North Korea and in a similar manner, your M7 will leave them behind. There is absolutely no doubt about this, bwana Karekyezi “DAVID”. By the way, ever wondered why M7 never took his war to Ankole or Kigezi but to Luwero Triangle? He is fond of saying that “ensi eggula mirambo…”, can you tell us how many of his own family members or relatives died in that war so that ensi esobole okugula emirambo?? Twakoowa!! Muddeyo ewamwe mulunde ente!!
October 18th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Busagwa
Really,you’re like a rabid dog now,kuba you’ve lost your sense of direction,ate ogenda noyogera ekintu n’otamanya nti wekuba weka endobo kuba if you say that Butamanya is a witch,then who’s the chief witch in Buganda?,kati what point is there?.And that if you’re saying that amn’t a muganda,did you accomplish the task of cancelling the form i filled when i was becoming a muganda?
Tuyina okubamala obwo obuleera n’obupumbavu obubafumbekedde era kino tujja kukikola awatali kutya n’akujjinya muntu n’omu.We’ll do this by encountering your likes on radio talkshows,online bimeezas like this one,political debates in ALL universities etcetera.
Gwe Busagwa,don’t you know that you’re the least competent fellows to talk about the military?,its better you rather talk about your bambowas NOT the gallant military men trained to guard ALL the Ugandans.Like i told you that,”the higher a monkey…”,i thus come to note that you know nothing on some issues you tend to posture about like the army,and in this case the prominence of Lt Gen Katumba.He was deployed in Moroto Barracks but later surrendered to the NRA in Soroti under the command of Kyaligonza.And for Brig Gwanga,have you forgotten when he bashed your Mengo lunatic fringe(Nambooze committee) when it visited Mityana in November 2007?,then if you don’t know,let me tell you that he told your idols that however much they yearn for their moronically unrealistic demands,they’ll NOT be delivered,PERIOD.
You’re now trying to associate yourselves with these upright gentlemen in a vain bid to assist you establish your dreamy,”Buganda Defense Forces”,oh bambi!!,i pity you dullards.Have you forgotten that they’re in our employ to deal with you riff-raff??!!
October 20th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Bwana “DAVID”,
I am really not surprised that you did not try AT ALL to substancially respond to the issues I raised in my earlier article to you. Don’t deal with the periphery please but go to the real issues and prove yourself to be a marksman. Answer the questions I put to you staraight to the point.
Meantime, however, I have some good news for you. In the forwarded mail below, please read and find the fate that is ultimately awaiting you and your Nyarundi brothers and sisters who are now screwing up our country UGANDA:
Some Advice For Security Personnel
Last updated : 18 Sep 2008, Kampala
RK,
Allow me to echo the State House Analyst’s warning to our security personnel, especially those in the PGB, CMI, ESO and ISO. Forewarned is forearmed. If they became blinded by their current privileges and continue to mistreat Ugandans, their fate is sealed as the analyst rightly warns them. There is nowhere to run to. And don’t say you were not warned.
For example Gen Tinyefunza and Kazini have nowhere to run to except into the hands of the ICC prosecutor. They committed atrocities in Northern, North Eastern Uganda and DRC. The survivers of their crimes against humanity still gnash their teeth with fury.
If General Kazini and Tinye have nowhere to run to, where will a lance corporal hide? Brig Tumukunde desperately wants to bail out for fear of being caught on the wrong side of things. Rwanda is hostile and sealed, Congo is ready to swallow any UPDF soldier; Kenya is ambivalent, Tanzania is fed up of president Museveni’s lugezi gezi and kamanyiro.
Where will you run to? Europe and America NO! You will never make it in the name assylum and political persecution. They already know you are trouble causers, besides, they are fed up of Africans. They have become pests on their economies.
Kakooza Mutale has gone mute, why? It is because he has become vulnerable and will have nowhere to go to. Even president Museveni has nowhere to run to, should things suddenly fall apart. Even Gaddafi will not tolerate him. Given that Museveni is not a Moslem, there is no chance of him being welcome by Saudi Arabia who hosted Idi Amin till he passed. Even Zimbabwe has become a no-go area since the opposition MDC is just waiting for Mugabe to die in his sleep or drop dead while yelling at Britain and the US. May be he will go to Iceland where he keeps stolen money and freeze to death.
Your worst enemy will be those other soldiers who have continued to suffer the humiliation of mama ingiya pole and paltry Shs.180, 000 for a salary for the rest of their terms of service. Scattered across the country with no hope of fundamental change, they brood with resentment as their future and that of their family members slips away, while their commander of thieves and handlers, in the name of classified budget siphons away their welfare in dubious defense budgets every single financial year.
Amama Mbabazi has become a life Minister in the Ministry of Defence for that purpose. Considering his lifestyle, even if Mbabazi earned a net Shs.10 million a month for 20 years he would still not afford a Shs.2 billion house (palace) the size of a District Headquarter in Kanungu.
Which bank loaned Col. Kaneirugaba Muhoozi the billions of shillings to put up a 5-star Students hostel on Makerere Hill, complete with swimming pool, DSTV, GTV and also promptly tarmac the dusty road between Law Development Center on Sir Apollo Kaggwa road?
This is a section of road even KCC would never dream of fixing. But thanks to the Muhoozi’s of this condemned country Uganda, condemned to be led by thieves and murderers. The student who rent this hostel owe their sleep on the blood and tears of millions of Ugandan whose tax money have become pocket change for Museveni and family.
Soldiers, serve your country honestly. President Museveni does not pay your salaries. Ugandans do, and painfully so; because they know that most of the tax money is stolen. Even if he promotes you he does it out of selfish interest in the hope that you worship him and protect his selfishness.
Don’t follow unlawful orders to torment fellow contrymen and women. Don’t worship thieves who call themselves presidents or ministers. Don’t be led into temptations, we are all equal before God. One day Uganda will get honest leaders that will change the face of this country in the shortest time possible, because we don’t have to invent the wheel; everthing is there in place. It is just a matter of re-organizing them to serve the right purpose.
We sympathize with your moral dilemma and misery but be faithful.
For God and my country
P.S: Forget about “winning over” anyone in an intelectual debate on the Bimezzas and other fora. You guys have already lost the intellectual debate, the more reason your government has resorted to Kiboko-Nkoni Squads, Tear Gas, militarizing the police and Matatu-taxi goons,etecetra. Because you cannot win an intellectual debate, that is why your government is scaring CBS with closure if it does not disallow ‘Madam Teacher’ Nambooze from appearing on radio. Because you have gotten extremly unpopular, you resort to stealing elections and beating up people and throwing them over to your “Mpawo atalikaba” buses you even used in the 1980s to torture and kill Ugandans. As if that is not bad enough, you have now embarked on intarahamwizing Buganda Kingdom by pitting one sub-ethnic group over the other. You guys are damned and should just wait for your hell on earth!!!
October 20th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Ali,
I can surely see that you are making pretty valid and interesting points against David. But why don’t you quit arguing with this f**l named David?? Yes, you may not agree with me on this one my good brother but I am scared of the fact that other debaters and readers on this forum may fail to get the difference between you and this confused id**t. Don’t you think that Getu, Steve,Musinguzi, Alvin and others were right to apparently have ignored to respond to the rubbish of this dim wit??? Ali please, don’t waste any more of your valuable time in this staggering coldness on this kaguy! See, you are just providing him with the much needed accountability for money given to him by Museveni! Ali, please, please,please!!! Just quit responding to this god damn f**l! Bambi he doesn’t fully comprehend what he is doing!
Awangaale nyo Baffe Kabaka wa Buganda!
October 20th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Hello Tara,
Hey, great postings you make! Keep it up muzaana wa Kabaka. Anyway, dont you worry about me regarding the interesting dialogue going on bewteen Mw. Busagwa and David. I do not know what other guys think of it, but I am enjoying it myself! You certainly know who is on top of things about this debate, don’t you?
Hope you are doing good over there!
Akuume!
Cheers muzaana wa Kabaka!
Agundegunde nnyo Maggulunyondo Kabaka Muwenda Mutebi II!!
October 20th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Hi Tara, Alvin, Ali & David! Where is Getu incidentally? She is off the radar for a good number of days! My man Musinguzi has also skipped the radar for pretty a handsome bunch of days! Where are you guys?
Anyhow, I just wanted to tell Tara that much as I am not participating any more in this debate between David and “Goliath” Busagwa (Please read the reasons above!) and whereas I also share Tara’s feelings about the progress of this debate, I, nonetheless do not mind reading the minds of the two about what is going on in my mother’s native country. I only wish that the debate walks a focused path and it is devoid of invectives. I am otherwise open to all information. Judgement is mine.
Mbagala nyo, Kabaka Mutebi waffe mwagala nyo!!!!!!!!!!
Getu and Musinguzi, please get back on the radar spectrum!!